Keir Starmer

We've had far worse Prime Ministers than Starmer, but where Starmer really fails is as a politician. He appears for all the world like a man without a constituency, either in his party or in the country. It's not necessary for a Prime Minster to be in tune with the whole country, Thatcher never was, but they have to be in tune with a significant portion of it and Starmer simply isn't.

Starmer would be adequate as a steady hand on the tiller in cosier less fractious times, but we don't live in those times. When he speaks it's toe curling stuff, it's as if he's addressing a country that exists only in his head.
He’s a very serious lawyer. It’s exactly this kind of emotionless and forensic approach to governing that is why we’ve not been sucked into the yank’s idiotic war in Iran.

He’s shit at comms but when it comes to big decisions like this, you want someone who’s going to examine the details like this.

He’s done more good than bad and he’s better than any of the alternatives.
 
It's always gone on on both sides of the political divide but I get really frustrated at Prime Minister's Questions. I watch it quite often and I'm staggered that Mr. Starmer NEVER answers any questions unless they're from a Labour backbencher praising him. We might as well scrap the whole thing or get a speaker who will insist that questions are answered.
 
He’s a very serious lawyer. It’s exactly this kind of emotionless and forensic approach to governing that is why we’ve not been sucked into the yank’s idiotic war in Iran.

He’s shit at comms but when it comes to big decisions like this, you want someone who’s going to examine the details like this.

He’s done more good than bad and he’s better than any of the alternatives.

I agree.
 
I have little time for the guy but what really has started to irritate me is all these "Kier Starmers a wanker" chants, why these pricks continue to do this is beyond me. I just visuslise a mob of poorly educated scum who typify the percieved image of the far right.

Sometimes its better to keep their mouths shut.
 
We've had far worse Prime Ministers than Starmer, but where Starmer really fails is as a politician. He appears for all the world like a man without a constituency, either in his party or in the country. It's not necessary for a Prime Minster to be in tune with the whole country, Thatcher never was, but they have to be in tune with a significant portion of it and Starmer simply isn't.

Starmer would be adequate as a steady hand on the tiller in cosier less fractious times, but we don't live in those times. When he speaks it's toe curling stuff, it's as if he's addressing a country that exists only in his head.

Would make a fantastic foreign secretary and that’s it.
 
You don’t want to get drawn in because you cannot substantiate your claim.

I think if you’re being honest with yourself, you would acknowledge your post was speculative at best
No, I'm just not prepared to do your Googling for you. It's a pointless exercise since there are no conceivable circumstances where you might say ok fair enough. Why don't you do a bit of googling if you're genuinely interested. I realise you are not.
 
He’s a very serious lawyer. It’s exactly this kind of emotionless and forensic approach to governing that is why we’ve not been sucked into the yank’s idiotic war in Iran.

He’s shit at comms but when it comes to big decisions like this, you want someone who’s going to examine the details like this.

He’s done more good than bad and he’s better than any of the alternatives.
Probably correct. The problem though is that most politicians, including Starmer, are quite happy to knife other politicians in the back if it suits their own progression. They cannot then stand up with any authority and say "it's so unfair".
 
Probably correct. The problem though is that most politicians, including Starmer, are quite happy to knife other politicians in the back if it suits their own progression. They cannot then stand up with any authority and say "it's so unfair".
He’s basically crap at politics, which makes sense when you consider his background is in law and he was effectively a civil servant as chief prosecutor.

The positives of this have shown through with Iran and his quite remarkable international diplomacy from day one, and the negatives have shown through with his shit management of staff, domestic political issues and comms.
 
Not really mate. I frequent lots of forums, meet lots of people with different views. But the prevalent view on this forum is very left leaning, and significantly out of whack with the mood of the general public. Of course there are regional and demographic variances. Younger people tend to be more supportive of Starmer (less hostile would be closer to it since no age group think he's doing a good job) and older people even more critical.

That's the reality. It's only those on here who fail to see it and cling to this idea that everything is OK. I'd get the same impressions if I visited Socialist Worker forums as well though I guess.
It doesn’t reflect particularly well on you that in spite of meeting lots of people with views right as cross the political spectrum that you’ve ended up lending your support to the bunch of fascists known as Advance UK, a group that makes Farage look like Corbyn.
 
He’s basically crap at politics, which makes sense when you consider his background is in law and he was effectively a civil servant as chief prosecutor.

The positives of this have shown through with Iran and his quite remarkable international diplomacy from day one, and the negatives have shown through with his shit management of staff, domestic political issues and comms.
How do you feel about him saying (in terms) “I will always take responsibility for the mistakes of those in any organisation I lead”, and then doing the exact opposite?

You see this is one of the fundamental reasons I dislike the bloke so intensely, and it’s not because he’s fired so many people. No, it’s because there seems to be absolutely zero connection between the words that he freely utters and what he genuinely thinks or plans to do. He basically says any old shite to suit whatever situation he happens to find himself in.

Once you have spotted this, it’s impossible to ignore. He has more “top priorities” than anyone I know. In front of a crowd complaining about energy bills and you can be sure “getting bills down is my top priority”. In front of Rolls-Royce works it will be “defence is my top priority”.

It’s become a standing joke in our household. Every day is some new hollow set of words bla bla bla that mean absolutely zilch to him but he says them anyway to try to sound good or deflect some criticism.

He’s more full of shite than any politician I can remember, and that is quite a feat.
 
It doesn’t reflect particularly well on you that in spite of meeting lots of people with views right as cross the political spectrum that you’ve ended up lending your support to the bunch of fascists known as Advance UK, a group that makes Farage look like Corbyn.
I disagree with all of the above. There’s nothing remotely fascist about Ben Habib and you would know that if you knew anything about him at all. Ironically the true fascists are the rent-a-mob protestors funded by some left wing nut jobs (I cannot remember which) who are bussed around the country to counter protest or try to disrupt any Advance UK meeting.
 
It's always gone on on both sides of the political divide but I get really frustrated at Prime Minister's Questions. I watch it quite often and I'm staggered that Mr. Starmer NEVER answers any questions unless they're from a Labour backbencher praising him. We might as well scrap the whole thing or get a speaker who will insist that questions are answered.
PMQ’s have never really been ‘questions’. It’s always been a pissing content and the ‘questions’ are always just the opposition’s debating points.

I agree it needs reform - as does much of the way our parliament operates - but this isn’t a Starmer problem.

It’s a lot less of a shitstorm than it was under Johnson for example, when he turned up half cut and clueless most of the time.
 
How do you feel about him saying (in terms) “I will always take responsibility for the mistakes of those in any organisation I lead”, and then doing the exact opposite?

You see this is one of the fundamental reasons I dislike the bloke so intensely, and it’s not because he’s fired so many people. No, it’s because there seems to be absolutely zero connection between the words that he freely utters and what he genuinely thinks or plans to do. He basically says any old shite to suit whatever situation he happens to find himself in.

Once you have spotted this, it’s impossible to ignore. He has more “top priorities” than anyone I know. In front of a crowd complaining about energy bills and you can be sure “getting bills down is my top priority”. In front of Rolls-Royce works it will be “defence is my top priority”.

It’s become a standing joke in our household. Every day is some new hollow set of words bla bla bla that mean absolutely zilch to him but he says them anyway to try to sound good or deflect some criticism.

He’s more full of shite than any politician I can remember, and that is quite a feat.
In which case you should get checked out for dementia.
 
That’s ironic coming from someone who is a self confessed supporter of a party that’s to the right of Reform.
Anyway, haven’t you got a roundabout to paint?
Is chippy Tommy Robinson or whatever name the crook goes under these days .
 

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