Keir Starmer

[Don Karleone]

It’s so frustrating, Labour finally have a leader than can get the Tories out , yet he’s not ‘radical and left wing enough’ ffs

Probably shouldn't have sold that vision to get elected as party leader then.

 

[Vic]

Or maybe a coalition government? It seems unlikely but that would be my preferred option as things stand.

2010-2015 down the history hole?

Effectively a coalition with DUP 2017-19...

Coalitions obviously can work, but in the context of lesser evils, coalition government gave us Hitler as German Chancellor.

 

[The perfect fumble]

2010-2015 down the history hole?

Effectively a coalition with DUP 2017-19...

Coalitions obviously can work, but in the context of lesser evils, coalition government gave us Hitler as German Chancellor.

Indeed it did.

Political compromise is always spelt out by the "moderates", the reasonable folk, as the lesser of whatever.

I'll tell you what political compromise to entrenched power looks like, it's political cowardice and betrayal. It cedes power from the powerless to the powerful or worse to right wing populists. It hands even more power to those consumed by neoliberal fervour, the corporatists, the rentier class, old money establishment, the racists and the tweedy fascists or, as in the case of Johnson, the narcissists. All these fuckers are only too happy to play one group against another, it's what they do, they don't get to rule if they don't.

The Labour Party was born to counter this, the party of comradeship, the natural party of government, you know, for the many not the few, a "broad church", broad enough to prevent one group being played against another.

But of course "broad" is now defined by the fuckwits in here as being nothing more than a narrow pale version of the Tories, and why? Because that is the only variant permissible by the powers that be. Government in this country is either Tory or Tory Lite, that's it, that's the way it's always been and that's the way it'll always be.

Consequently the Labour Party is unfit to govern unless it bends the knee, but bends the knee to what? Rupert Murdoch? Blair ran to Oz to suck that shit stains dick in the run up to 1997 and we got what? The third way landslide! Whoopee! Which led to what precisely? It led to austerity Cameron the heir to Blair, which led to what? The fat fool populist and Brexit, which will lead to what? The far right moron Truss?

But, of course, all this palava is Ed Miliband and Corbyn's fault, and the Labour Party membership of course, they're culpable, but for what you might ask? For the crime of refusing to be "moderate" pale Tories in order to ameliorate the knownothing reactionary arse wipes in here and their compatriots in this green and pleasant food bank of a country.

 

[urban genie]

I'm not having that. Just on mining areas: "the Coalfields Programme under the remit of the HCA has been very successful. It has changed the topography and appearance of many coalfield areas and made them much more attractive for people to live and work in and for investment."

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/6295/1728082.pdf

I was a rep on the Board of the North West Coalfield Communities Regeneration Programme, which allocated £30m over 7 years to community projects from Manchester to Workington. A lot of EU money in that, via the Regional Development Agency.

The RDAs of course were abolished by the coalition government, and money then funnelled through Local Economic Partnerships. But Austerity Two is already here: LEPs have been thanked "for the invaluable contribution that LEPs make to their local economies" and "the importance of a continuing strong and influential business voice in local economic policy making". Now Ministers say that they want LEPs to be fully integrated into Combined Authorities in areas that have them (eg Manchester, Liverpool, West Yorkshire etc) and for LEPs to work even more closely with local authorities in other areas. Then the kicker: "A very tight spending settlement for BEIS – the department for business – means that core funding for LEPs is being reduced by 25% and for Growth Hubs by 50%."

It wasn't just coalfield commuinties wrecked and split up toough, and I am sure this charitable trust has done wonderful things to help communities.

But overall not enough was done to help places regenerate from the post industrial era, a failing of new labour and tories.

 

[Vic]

Indeed it did.

Political compromise is always spelt out by the "moderates", the reasonable folk, as the lesser of whatever.

I'll tell you what political compromise to entrenched power looks like, it's political cowardice and betrayal. It cedes power from the powerless to the powerful or worse to right wing populists. It hands even more power to those consumed by neoliberal fervour, the corporatists, the rentier class, old money establishment, the racists and the tweedy fascists or, as in the case of Johnson, the narcissists. All these fuckers are only too happy to play one group against another, it's what they do, they don't get to rule if they don't.

The Labour Party was born to counter this, the party of comradeship, the natural party of government, you know, for the many not the few, a "broad church", broad enough to prevent one group being played against another.

But of course "broad" is now defined by the fuckwits in here as being nothing more than a narrow pale version of the Tories, and why? Because that is the only variant permissible by the powers that be. Government in this country is either Tory or Tory Lite, that's it, that's the way it's always been and that's the way it'll always be.

Consequently the Labour Party is unfit to govern unless it bends the knee, but bends the knee to what? Rupert Murdoch? Blair ran to Oz to suck that shit stains dick in the run up to 1997 and we got what? The third way landslide! Whoopee! Which led to what precisely? It led to austerity Cameron the heir to Blair, which led to what? The fat fool populist and Brexit, which will lead to what? The far right moron Truss?

But, of course, all this palava is Ed Miliband and Corbyn's fault, and the Labour Party membership of course, they're culpable, but for what you might ask? For the crime of refusing to be "moderate" pale Tories in order to ameliorate the knownothing reactionary arse wipes in here and their compatriots in this green and pleasant food bank of a country.

Yeah, but it's a pity about those pesky voters. If they were "the many", you'd have what you want. What we both want actually, but it sounds like you don't go knocking much on voters' doors, trying to win friends and influence people.

 

[PragueBlue]

2010-2015 down the history hole?

Effectively a coalition with DUP 2017-19...

Coalitions obviously can work, but in the context of lesser evils, coalition government gave us Hitler as German Chancellor.

Of course there are bad examples as well as good. It would still be my preferred (realistic) outcome though, given the current situation.

 

[Vic]

It wasn't just coalfield commuinties wrwcked and split up tgough, and I am sure this charitable trust has done wonderful things to help communities.

But overall not enough was done to help places regenerate from the post industrial era, a failing of new labour and tories.

Read the report, which highlights the particular problems of communities dependent on one industry when that industry collapses. And you've confused the NW body (local authority led, spending largely EU money) with the Coalfields Regeneration Trust (which was funded by government till 2015, but I don't know how they ended up with £47m investments, mostly property).

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Indeed it did.

Political compromise is always spelt out by the "moderates", the reasonable folk, as the lesser of whatever.

I'll tell you what political compromise to entrenched power looks like, it's political cowardice and betrayal. It cedes power from the powerless to the powerful or worse to right wing populists. It hands even more power to those consumed by neoliberal fervour, the corporatists, the rentier class, old money establishment, the racists and the tweedy fascists or, as in the case of Johnson, the narcissists. All these fuckers are only too happy to play one group against another, it's what they do, they don't get to rule if they don't.

The Labour Party was born to counter this, the party of comradeship, the natural party of government, you know, for the many not the few, a "broad church", broad enough to prevent one group being played against another.

But of course "broad" is now defined by the fuckwits in here as being nothing more than a narrow pale version of the Tories, and why? Because that is the only variant permissible by the powers that be. Government in this country is either Tory or Tory Lite, that's it, that's the way it's always been and that's the way it'll always be.

Consequently the Labour Party is unfit to govern unless it bends the knee, but bends the knee to what? Rupert Murdoch? Blair ran to Oz to suck that shit stains dick in the run up to 1997 and we got what? The third way landslide! Whoopee! Which led to what precisely? It led to austerity Cameron the heir to Blair, which led to what? The fat fool populist and Brexit, which will lead to what? The far right moron Truss?

But, of course, all this palava is Ed Miliband and Corbyn's fault, and the Labour Party membership of course, they're culpable, but for what you might ask? For the crime of refusing to be "moderate" pale Tories in order to ameliorate the knownothing reactionary arse wipes in here and their compatriots in this green and pleasant food bank of a country.

Spot on. I wonder if we'll ever wake up to the truth that we've actually been governed by Rupert Murdoch for decades?

 

[blueinsa]

Spot on. I wonder if we'll ever wake up to the truth that we've actually been governed by Rupert Murdoch for decades?

A handful of the worlds billionaires dictate policy across much of the globe and it isn’t for the benefit of the majority sadly.

It’s an amazing coincidence that everything that negatively affects the lives of billions of us just makes them richer.

Go figure.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Let me know when Keir goes back to what got him elected as party leader then.

As always, you make your choice and wait and see. To be honest, even if Starmer lost all the traits that we see in him, he still couldn’t be as bad as the current bunch.