Keir Starmer

[Gabriel]

 

[halfmist]

Could it be Angela Rayner?

With regard to policies, I note that both the Tory candidates are now talking of taking another one of Labours policies and cut VAT on energy bills. I wonder if they’ll go even further and put a windfall tax on the profiteering energy providers?

Shells figures are out today.

Angela Rayner may be the perfect choice for the lefties on here but would a majority of the voters go with her, no.
It will be Corbyn revisited.
We have a zombie Tory Government with no effective leader so it should have been, make hay whilst the Sun shines for Labour.
Instead the Labour Party are about to commence a Civil War.
How on Earth can Starmer & Rayner work together when he has just sacked lover boy.
I wonder if he even told her beforehand.
Add to that, the Unions are now threatening to withdraw funds to the Party
Interesting times ahead.

 

[hilts]

But if everyone had that attitude, then no one would bother to vote.

And the difference is, your voting intention isn't only one vote. It's bigger than that, particularly in this day and age.

Dozens, if not hundreds of people will see your post on here. Some might be feeling disillusioned, not sure about Starmer and thinking they might do a protest vote against him. And seeing your posts validates that idea and makes them more likely to not vote for him.

They might feel emboldened to tell their butcher, who tells his accountant, who posts it on Facebook and it's seen by hundreds of other, and so on...

It's exactly how Brexit happened. People who weren't sure about the EU, but knew deep down Brexit was a bad idea. Seeing messages online promoting Brexit, validates the idea that it's not a crazy, self-harming thing to do.

It's basic behavioural science, there's a good article on it here https://compass.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/phc3.12658

If you lived in a log cabin and voted against Starmer out of protest that he's not Corbyny enough, I agree one isolated vote wouldn't make that much difference.

But being vocal about it with your peers, family, community and online, will have a far bigger net impact than that. Even if you, or they, don't realise it.

You have no control of anyone else. You think your musings on a football forum or elsewhere is going to swing your local constituency? Haha that's some level of self importance.

By the way once you get into that little booth you can still vote however you want. No one can see you.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Angela Rayner may be the perfect choice for the lefties on here but would a majority of the voters go with her, no.
It will be Corbyn revisited.
We have a zombie Tory Government with no effective leader so it should have been, make hay whilst the Sun shines for Labour.
Instead the Labour Party are about to commence a Civil War.
How on Earth can Starmer & Rayner work together when he has just sacked lover boy.
I wonder if he even told her beforehand.
Add to that, the Unions are now threatening to withdraw funds to the Party
Interesting times ahead.

That’s a point, if Rayner is seeing Sam Tarry, did she know that he was going to the picket line when they’d expressly forbid it?

Is this a power play from the left?

 

[halfmist]

That’s a point, if Rayner is seeing Sam Tarry, did she know that he was going to the picket line when they’d expressly forbid it?

Is this a power play from the left?

Well I agree it might not be pillow talk but I am sure Ms Rayner would have asked him over the breakfast table what were his plans for the day alongside with what did he want for his tea.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

It does sound like there's more to this, with ongoing issues with Tarry's reselection campaign, and some versions suggesting he all but challenged Starmer to sack him.

Officially he wasn't sacked for going to the picket line, but for giving multiple interviews without clearing it with the shadow Transport Sec (and any others appropriate). If that broke agreed internal rules, then they can't ignore it. Something about him making what may have been personal opinion and it being seen as policy?

The trigger to do so is the worst possible look for Starmer.

 

[urban genie]

That’s a point, if Rayner is seeing Sam Tarry, did she know that he was going to the picket line when they’d expressly forbid it?

Is this a power play from the left?

Raynor is not overly any more left wing than most of tge shaddow cabinet and is in the McDonnel, Long-Bailey, Corbyn sense far from it.

The media portray her as this as a means of puttimg people off her, but having known people who have worked with her at union andparty level she is far from being a hardline socialist.

 

[Gabriel]

It does sound like there's more to this, with ongoing issues with Tarry's reselection campaign, and some versions suggesting he all but challenged Starmer to sack him.

Officially he wasn't sacked for going to the picket line, but for giving multiple interviews without clearing it with the shadow Transport Sec (and any others appropriate). If that broke agreed internal rules, then they can't ignore it. Something about him making what may have been personal opinion and it being seen as policy?

The trigger to do so is the worst possible look for Starmer.

Heard that on the radio this morning. Seems to be much more to this than the original line reported.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

It does sound like there's more to this, with ongoing issues with Tarry's reselection campaign, and some versions suggesting he all but challenged Starmer to sack him.

Officially he wasn't sacked for going to the picket line, but for giving multiple interviews without clearing it with the shadow Transport Sec (and any others appropriate). If that broke agreed internal rules, then they can't ignore it. Something about him making what may have been personal opinion and it being seen as policy?

The trigger to do so is the worst possible look for Starmer.

I agree with his stance and was impressed by his interview with the BBC. I'd assumed he must have had backing from the leadership.

Starmer was right to sack him in my opinion though.

Tarry could have resigned from his position first and would have been free to speak.

If he wants to pick and choose when collective responsibility applies he cannot stay as a shadow minister.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The problem with this sort of sellout of the working class by labour is it leaves the working class disillusioned, abandoned, and looking for something else........along come the populists and the far right to fill the void.