Keir Starmer

Gabriel said:
Agree with your points on Brexit, and as I said, an economic jolt is likely, and we can never predict its consequences. Think you'll see the Johnson shift the Conservatives to the middle, but simply based on arithmetic, I cannot see any prospective Labour leader looking at the next five years and seeing it as anything but an interim position.
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You give the tories to much credit. This lot are awful. The more people see of them the less they will like them and once 'get brexit done' becomes a meaningless phrases and we are deep in a negotiating quagmire the pull factor will be gone.

They have got to this point by blaming everything on the EU. Once that card falls away what do they have?
 
I keep on reading about Labour MP's expressing their disappointment in last nights result.

They shouldn't be, what they should be feeling is shame.

To lose to this Tory party with Johnson as leader and after 9 years of austerity by this margin is nothing short of disgusting.

We are looking at at least 9 more years of Tory rule and if Labour get the next leader wrong they are no longer fit for purpose.
 
whp.blue said:
That voting system is no better the Brexit vote proved that.
That system also Elects extremists and leads to a constantly hung Parliament
which would be terrible for the Country, look what coalition governments did for Italy.
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A lot depends on what the 'hung parliament' see as their main task - too many elements just push their own political agenda and take little account of what is best for nation - party first, people second, and that's only where there are two options. Add more in, and the people get shoved further back down the line.
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
A lot depends on what the 'hung parliament' see as their main task - too many elements just push their own political agenda and take little account of what is best for nation - party first, people second, and that's only where there are two options. Add more in, and the people get shoved further back down the line.
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Any more than about 3 and it becomes problematic, I agree.
It works pretty well in Germany.
 
Rascal said:
No offence taken. I am a dyed in the wool Socialist, I truly believe it is the best way for our country to be run. I don't want another Blairite or a right wing Labour party, it is anathema to me. I am what I am, I will remain what I am and I will live in hope that one day people will see things the way I see them.

Johnson is on the telly talking about thumping majorities, yet only 45% of the those who bothered to vote, voted Tory. Our system as you quite rightly point out needs drastic reform but the system suits the governing party so it will not change.
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The system also suits Labour - that they do not support electoral reform is a damning shame on that institution.
 
Southbanken said:
The system also suits Labour - that they do not support electoral reform is a damning shame on that institution.
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The only people who support electoral reform are those who will benefit. Those who have a well-oiled election machine and see a chance of gaining a majority will be opposed to electoral reform - it's a turkey and Christmas scenario!
 
It wouldn't be as big a leap as some think for the Tories to be defeated the numbers are there. Unfortunately momentum have not only shafted themselves and the majority of the country they have made Scotland leaving the UK much more likely.

That is an additional hurdle and a big one if Labour want to see power again albeit shared.

Anyone who voted Labour snp green libs have been fucked over. Think about it the majority of the UK want to be more left than the Tories.
 
Stuck this on the other thread, but what's the chances (once the earth is scorched) of David Miliband making a return from New York? Looks and sounds the part...
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Doesn’t really matter. Labour are finished!

A new party needs to come out of this “The People’s Democratic Centre Left Party” for want of a better name.
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In a FPTP system this wont work, the system is fragmented and the least fragmented side tends to win. The downing of tools of the brexit party while the remain / centrist vote was split across 3/4 parties was a major factor in this. If you took the Lib Dems / Labour / Green vote and merged it together in to a single center left block they would have won a decent majority. But Labour under Corbyn are miles away from the center ground and the Lib Dems are always too far back to make an impact.
 
robbieh said:
Are you implying that all future political leaders need to have been Leavers.
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Certainly not a leader who has publicly opposed leaving the EU, dismissed leave voters opinions and actively campaigns to remain.

Benn is not the right choice if Labour wants to reconnect with the vote they've just emphatically lost.
 
Lisa Nandy Wigan MP would be a good choice .... They will back another champagne socialist though and get their arseholes handed to em again in 5 years.....
When the Tories win Bolsover and Sedgefield you know the game is up ... :-)
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Certainly not a leader who has publicly opposed leaving the EU, dismissed leave voters opinions and actively campaigns to remain.

Benn is not the right choice if Labour wants to reconnect with the vote they've just emphatically lost.
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Won't matter once we have actually left, and he's otherwise a decent politician.
 
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