Keir Starmer

Stop saying our policies are popular as they clearly fucking are not!

Drop the politics of envy, making enemies out of those that have done well and make sure its affordable.
 
Nationalisation is popular amongst the public. They need to be wiser about it though, offer one per term and stop scaring voters by trying to change the entire infrastructure of the country. And start with utilities and fuck transport and broadband, for now.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic.../nationalisation-vs-privatisation-public-view
Even communist China realised a free market economy works, Nationalisation of commercial organisations leads to unhealthy business practices, over staffing and wasted revenues with no incentive to improve the product. Nationalisation has had its day, it should never return.
 
That's balls. She'll be adaptable with a new leader and she's a solid performing, strong northern woman. There aren't enough of them around to dismiss her.
Anyone who's a supporter of Corbyn is anathema to the electorate, when are you going to realise this?
 
The left you say that would leave the party is exactly what it needs, and that list of chosen successors, including Momentum, would ensure
that Labour never gets in. It's baffling to many why people think that carrying on with a Corbynista is the way to rescue the
Labour party, but now it's in the grip of this cult, that looks like it's going to happen.
In 5 years time, you'll be on here again wondering why the working class have not returned to you, we keep telling you
the reasons, but it just won't register. The youth you keep relying on are growing up, the 18 year olds replacing them have
never influenced an election, yet there's still this blind faith in them.

This is my point, the moderate side of the party believe they can win by purging the left as much as the left think they can win by sacking off the centre. They're both wrong. Under moderate leaders Labour haemoraged votes in their millions through the noughts and early tens. They were going nowhere until Corbyn came in and added 200,000 to the membership. It's also very clear that a Corbyn type socialist isn't going to win either. If the party can't meet in the middle it will lose election after election.
 
This is my point, the moderate side of the party believe they can win by purging the left as much as the left think they can win by sacking off the centre. They're both wrong. Under moderate leaders Labour haemoraged votes in their millions through the noughts and early tens. They were going nowhere until Corbyn came in and added 200,000 to the membership. It's also very clear that a Corbyn type socialist isn't going to win either. If the party can't meet in the middle it will lose election after election.
Wrong again, Blair followed on from the left of the party and won three times, this country is not left wing, these
politics are over, jettison all the Corbynites and there's a chance, stick with them, and every 5 years you'll get the same answer.
 
Nationalisation is popular amongst the public. They need to be wiser about it though, offer one per term and stop scaring voters by trying to change the entire infrastructure of the country. And start with utilities and fuck transport and broadband, for now.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic.../nationalisation-vs-privatisation-public-view
Interesting. I hadn't realised so many people were deluded. The Tories should start a campaign to explain to people why nationalisation is not the answer (because it isn't).
 
Wrong again, Blair followed on from the left of the party and won three times, this country is not left wing, these
politics are over, jettison all the Corbynites and there's a chance, stick with them, and every 5 years you'll get the same answer.
You rather more succinctly summed up what I have been saying for years. The country is not hard left, so hard left policies can not win any more.
 
You need to bin the daft nationalisation plans as well. Not renewing rail franchises is one thing, but spending tens or hundreds of billions on buying back utility companies is enormously stupid. Left wing ideologically driven nonsense. We don't have the money and if we did, there are FAR better things to spend it on.

*Rail nationalisation is incredibly stupid as well, BTW. 80% of current disruptions are are caused by Network Rail (already nationalised) and the rest are down to underfunding, which would be fixed by more government spending. Renationalisastion is completely unnecessary.

To be honest, a change to the franchise model would be a good policy at the moment. Rail is the one thing that is open to the market yet it isn't subject to competition by what it delivers to customers.

We have just seen Avanti (part FirstGroup, part Italian state..) takeover Virgin on the West Coast but they are using the same trains, the same people... They are promising new trains but of course fare reductions or better value are certainly not part of it.

It isn't a surprise that everyone just drives everywhere nowadays. Rail is just unaffordable and too unreliable if it has to be done on a regular basis.

Whenever I go into Manchester I have this choice:

1) Drive in my comfy car the 30 miles and pay a few quid for parking.
2) Get a taxi to or pay to park at the station and then pay £15 to stand up on a train for 45 mins....

The choice is pretty easy unless of course I'm on the beer!
 
Wrong again, Blair followed on from the left of the party and won three times, this country is not left wing, these
politics are over, jettison all the Corbynites and there's a chance, stick with them, and every 5 years you'll get the same answer.

Blair, Blair, Blair. The landscape has changed significantly, for example Labour will never again win 10 seats in Scotland let alone 45. There are places in the north that will take a long time to repair the damage done by the previous few Labour leaders. Anyone who thinks we can just dive back to the centre, purge the left and succeed is living in cloud cuckoo land. We can't just give up the good work we've done with the youth, the left, BAME communities and the places in the south and London hat we nver thought we'd win in. We obviously need to be more moderate, we need a more moderate leader and a northern based cabinet but we cannot afford to lose millions of voters because some people want to replicate Blair in '97 and forget about the voters he lost after that that have never been regained.
 
Anyone who thinks we can just dive back to the centre, purge the left and succeed is living in cloud cuckoo land.
As I said mate, crack on with the same blinkered, idiotic policies that have brought Labour to its knees, you're
lucky in your views, as Labour has gone just as you want it to be, so at least you'll have 700,000 like minded
people to rage at the Tories with for the next 50 years.
 
As I said mate, crack on with the same blinkered, idiotic policies that have brought Labour to its knees, you're
lucky in your views, as Labour has gone just as you want it to be, so at least you'll have 700,000 like minded
people to rage at the Tories with for the next 50 years.
Due to the looming environmental catastrophe making 50 year predictions could be foolhardy.
 

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