Keir Starmer

SCUM

informal
derogatory

a worthless or contemptible person or group of people.

Slightly uncouth maybe, but it isn't something to get your knickers in a twist about.

Raynor's mistake here is forgetting that us British prefer to be insulted by an eloquent orator and preferably in Latin.
 
Oh, this garbage is the usual guilt by association you're particularly fond of. Right wing bigots, for their own ends, don't like gender ideology, therefore anyone who criticises gender ideology is a right wing bigot. This is Hitler was a fascist and a vegetarian, therefore vegans are fascists.

Why can't we all just get along? Stop picking fights with each other and let's fight the common enemy!

Fuck that! Women can see through this bollocks.

We don't even need to get to the guilt by association point because "gender idealogy" isn't a thing, just as "homosexual idealogy" wasn't turning men gay in the recent past. It is an irrelevant nonsense, there is no overarching "gender idealogy". It is a myth.

People of gender non-conforming expression have existed since antiquity in cultures all around the world, it is absurd to believe that thousands of people from all sections of class, ethnicity and culture are genderbending because of a pervasive idealogy spread on the Internet.

I couldn't care less about common enemies stuff when you have gone so far down the rabbit hole. Acting like a fly on shit on any issue with "trans" involved, there's actually a part of me that hopes you start being more militant with this claptrap. Maybe you can start harassing transgender and non conforming people in the street and get yourself locked up/detained etc for your own safety.

This is sanity, clear and articulate, this is how it is.....




This is madness, so mad it is impossible to articulate without recourse to embarrassing obfuscation and evasion....



This woman has the same way of speaking as Pat Condell and Paul Joseph Watson. The mannerisms of poisonous overly emotive ranting almost always means the presenter is full of shit.
 
This is ridiculous. Labour voters don’t use language like that. My nana who’s in her 90s and voted Labour all her life has never used language like that.

Somehow you and Bigga are labelling a whole voter base as unintelligent louts under the disguise as working class.

If she’s appealing to her voter base then fuck me we are going to have to put up with the “scum” for decades longer!!
Tories are scum.

They starve kids.
 
This whole thing is very sad. With the help of the media Starmer has successfully steered the focus of public attention towards Rayner's choice of words rather than his dodgy rule changes and lack of policy. It looks like the anti-Semitism witch hunt will be given another run out too
 
This whole thing is very sad. With the help of the media Starmer has successfully steered the focus of public attention towards Rayner's choice of words rather than his dodgy rule changes and lack of policy. It looks like the anti-Semitism witch hunt will be given another run out too

Eh? Its the Tories who - with the media's help - did that. As I pointed out previously Rayner called them a lot of things and the Tories took issue via the press with the word scum. They didn't have a problem with being called racist homophobic and misogynist.

The real issue with Starmer is not what he has done because that amounts to Jack shit - any decent opposition leader would have torn them a new one over this but he sat on his hands.
 
We don't even need to get to the guilt by association point because "gender idealogy" isn't a thing, just as "homosexual idealogy" wasn't turning men gay in the recent past. It is an irrelevant nonsense, there is no overarching "gender idealogy". It is a myth.

People of gender non-conforming expression have existed since antiquity in cultures all around the world, it is absurd to believe that thousands of people from all sections of class, ethnicity and culture are genderbending because of a pervasive idealogy spread on the Internet.

I couldn't care less about common enemies stuff when you have gone so far down the rabbit hole. Acting like a fly on shit on any issue with "trans" involved, there's actually a part of me that hopes you start being more militant with this claptrap. Maybe you can start harassing transgender and non conforming people in the street and get yourself locked up/detained etc for your own safety.



This woman has the same way of speaking as Pat Condell and Paul Joseph Watson. The mannerisms of poisonous overly emotive ranting almost always means the presenter is full of shit.

More trans rights activist ad hominem. Is this all trans activists do? When they're not censoring, cancelling, threatening, calling plod coz their feelings are hurt, eradicating the word woman from the English language, harassing Lesbians coz they won't sleep with trans women and getting folk fired! Busy, busy, busy!

Maybe you can start harassing transgender and non conforming people in the street and get yourself locked up/detained etc for your own safety.

This is classic projection, nasty TERFs harassing and attacking vulnerable trans people! Yet here you are happy to cast me as a venal twisted old fella, consumed with hate, with the potential for violence against trans people! And your evidence for this?.....I have the temerity to disagree with you.

Your aggressive approach is quite deliberate, in order to conceal the vacuity of your argument, it is essential to disparage those that disagree with you, to call them bigots and hateful, to frighten them in to silence for fear of what might happen to them if they speak out, that way you can justify never having to engage with them and that is what you've done in every single one of your posts.

As for....

This woman has the same way of speaking as Pat Condell and Paul Joseph Watson. The mannerisms of poisonous overly emotive ranting almost always means the presenter is full of shit.

She's 61 year old Maria MacLachlan and she was attacked at Hyde Park Corner by 26 year old TRA trans woman Tara Wolf, who was found guilty of assault.

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You really have no clue.

Gender ideology is very real and is so insidious it actually ends up mimicking the hard right. The right loves gender stereotyping, that way they can justify keeping women in their place, women are simply born that way, predisposed to pink and princesses, you know, all the feminine stereotypes.

And yet here we have Mermaids playing the same game as the nasty hard right, feeding the same gender stereotypes to little children, sprinkling lies down a road to life long medication and the wonderful prospect of having bits of their anatomy lopped off....

Mermaids actually uses this in their training sessions...

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I find the sentiment....Let's be nice in the face of all this hostility from those nasty TERFs!....Not only dishonest but morally repugnant, because while you're being ever so nice and inclusive, this is being done in your name....

Five clinicians resigned from the Tavistock and blew the whistle on what was going on there....

“This experimental treatment is being done not only on children, but very vulnerable children, who have experienced mental health difficulties, abuse, family trauma, but sometimes those [other factors] just get whitewashed,” one female clinician said. “If someone was suggesting plastic surgery or any other permanent change we’d be saying, hang on a minute.”

The clinicians have warned that complex histories and adolescent confusion over possible homosexuality are being ignored in the rush to accept and celebrate every young person’s new transgender identity.

Clinical psychologists carry out each initial assessment at the Tavistock. They are the gatekeepers who decide whether to refer transgender youngsters to the endocrine clinic for the next stage of treatment. Therapists once had months to work through underlying issues before making decisions on medical intervention, but the clinicians claim that young people are now routinely referred for hormone therapy after as few as three hour-long sessions.
They believe that physically healthy children are being medicated in response to pressure from transgender lobby groups and parental anxieties.

So many potentially gay children were being sent down the pathway to change gender, two of the clinicians said there was a dark joke among staff that “there would be no gay people left”.

“It feels like conversion therapy for gay children,”
one male clinician said. “I frequently had cases where people started identifying as trans after months of horrendous bullying for being gay,” he told The Times.
“Young lesbians considered at the bottom of the heap suddenly found they were really popular when they said they were trans.”

Another female clinician said: “We heard a lot of homophobia which we felt nobody was challenging. A lot of the girls would come in and say, ‘I’m not a lesbian. I fell in love with my best girl friend but then I went online and realised I’m not a lesbian, I’m a boy. Phew.’”

The specialists expressed concern at how little confusion over sexuality was explored when a young person requested treatment to change their body.

“I would ask who they wanted to have relationships with, but I was told by senior management that gender is completely separate to sex,” a third female clinician said. “I couldn’t get on board with that, because it isn’t. Some people were transitioning their gender to match their sexuality.”


Actually this isn't being done in your name, you're just a useful idiot, but buck up mate, you're not alone...

Shadow Justice Secretary David Lammy told a Labour Party conference fringe event when discussing trans rights yesterday “there are some dinosaurs on the right” and also that “those dinosaurs exist in our own party” who want to “hoard rights”.

Women hoarding rights! That dove tails into your whites hoarding rights from blacks. It's a clever slight of hand to pigeonhole those who oppose the destruction of what it is to be a woman, as nothing more than once radical white middle class women, now 21st Century dinosaurs, hell bent on excluding vulnerable trans folk from being treated equally and taking what's theirs! Clever! Doubly so given that much of the trans rights movement is driven by white middle class blokes with dysphoria or a taste for autogynephilia. And here's you saying there's no such thing as gender ideology, you're too modest, this is sophisticated stuff with political clout and real money behind it.

It's no wonder the LGB Alliance was formed to escape this f**king madness.

Oh! Silly me! I forgot....

 
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More trans rights activist ad hominem. Is this all trans activists do? When they're not censoring, cancelling, threatening, calling plod coz their feelings are hurt, eradicating the word woman from the English language, harassing Lesbians coz they won't sleep with trans men and getting folk fired! Busy, busy, busy!



This is classic projection, nasty TERFs harassing and attacking vulnerable trans people! Yet here you are happy to cast me as a venal twisted old fella, consumed with hate, with the potential for violence against trans people! And your evidence for this?.....I have the temerity to disagree with you.

Your aggressive approach is quite deliberate, in order to conceal the vacuity of your argument, it is essential to disparage those that disagree with you, to call them bigots and hateful, to frighten them in to silence for fear of what might happen to them if they speak out, that way you can justify never having to engage with them and that is what you've done in ever single one of your posts.

As for....



She's 61 year old Maria MacLachlan and she was attacked at Hyde Park Corner by 26 year old TRA trans woman Tara Wolf, who was found guilty of assault.

DWLm6H2W4AAq2n3.jpg

Tara-Wolf-no-better-than-fash.jpg


You really have no clue.

Gender ideology is very real and is so insidious it actually ends up mimicking the hard right. The right loves gender stereotyping, that way they can justify keeping women in their place, women are simply born that way, predisposed to pink and princesses, you know, all the feminine stereotypes.

And yet here we have Mermaids playing the same game as the nasty hard right, feeding the same gender stereotypes to little children, sprinkling lies down a road to life long medication and the wonderful prospect of having bits of their anatomy lopped off....

Mermaids actually uses this in their training sessions...

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I find your "let's all be nice in the face of these horrible TERFs" morally repugnant, while you're being ever so nice and inclusive, this is being done in your name....

Five clinicians resigned from the Tavistock and blew the whistle on what was going on there....

“This experimental treatment is being done not only on children, but very vulnerable children, who have experienced mental health difficulties, abuse, family trauma, but sometimes those [other factors] just get whitewashed,” one female clinician said. “If someone was suggesting plastic surgery or any other permanent change we’d be saying, hang on a minute.”

The clinicians have warned that complex histories and adolescent confusion over possible homosexuality are being ignored in the rush to accept and celebrate every young person’s new transgender identity.

Clinical psychologists carry out each initial assessment at the Tavistock. They are the gatekeepers who decide whether to refer transgender youngsters to the endocrine clinic for the next stage of treatment. Therapists once had months to work through underlying issues before making decisions on medical intervention, but the clinicians claim that young people are now routinely referred for hormone therapy after as few as three hour-long sessions.
They believe that physically healthy children are being medicated in response to pressure from transgender lobby groups and parental anxieties.

So many potentially gay children were being sent down the pathway to change gender, two of the clinicians said there was a dark joke among staff that “there would be no gay people left”.

“It feels like conversion therapy for gay children,”
one male clinician said. “I frequently had cases where people started identifying as trans after months of horrendous bullying for being gay,” he told The Times.
“Young lesbians considered at the bottom of the heap suddenly found they were really popular when they said they were trans.”

Another female clinician said: “We heard a lot of homophobia which we felt nobody was challenging. A lot of the girls would come in and say, ‘I’m not a lesbian. I fell in love with my best girl friend but then I went online and realised I’m not a lesbian, I’m a boy. Phew.’”

The specialists expressed concern at how little confusion over sexuality was explored when a young person requested treatment to change their body.

“I would ask who they wanted to have relationships with, but I was told by senior management that gender is completely separate to sex,” a third female clinician said. “I couldn’t get on board with that, because it isn’t. Some people were transitioning their gender to match their sexuality.”


Actually this isn't being done in your name, you're just a useful idiot, but buck up mate, you're not alone...

Shadow Justice Secretary David Lammy told a Labour Party conference fringe event when discussing trans rights yesterday “there are some dinosaurs on the right” and also that “those dinosaurs exist in our own party” who want to “hoard rights”.

Women hoarding rights! That dove tails into your whites hoarding rights from blacks. It's a clever slight of hand to mask the destruction of what it is to be a woman, as nothing more than white middle class women, who were once radical, now excluding vulnerable trans folk from being treated equally! Clever! Particularly as much of the trans rights argument is driven by white middle class blokes with dysphoria or a taste for autogynephilia. And here's you saying there's no such thing as gender ideology, you're too modest, this is sophisticated stuff with political clout and real money behind it.

It's no wonder the LGB Alliance was formed to escape this f**king madness.


Full of the usual tropes and nonsense.

I'm not going to have a discussion with you about gender idealogy because it doesn't exist, and no amount of stamping your feet and going around in circles about fringe trans and radical feminist activists goading and provoking each other or attention seekers "queering gender" will make it exist.

I didn’t say you would use violence, I earlier compared you to Piers Corbyn, because I can see your frustration of fighting a losing battle spilling over to the same level of bizarre behaviour and crankery.

And if you think that me being unkind to you is unfair, then maybe you ought to take a look in the mirror. I've tried to offer positive engagement to you before and so have others but you don't like it, you want to post your garbage and talk about the same shit that only you are interested in talking about.

It’s not about you having a different opinion to me, it's about you being a troll. Someone who doesn't care about what topic they will hijack next to inject their bigotry and hate into.

Even the creator of the terminology of autogynephilia has disowned this kind of language as insensitive.

You also appeared to have confused yourself.. The breakaway "Lgbt alliance" and "lesbians rejecting Trans men", why would bearded Ftms with no breasts want to be with women only attracted to the female form?

Again it's a topic I couldn't care less about discussing because a person's gender status or sexuality doesn't entitle them to someone returning sexual or romantic attraction.

Maybe it has gotten a bit absurd when heterosexual men start appointing themselves as gatekeepers and moderators of lesbianism and lesbian dating websites.


Have you even bothered to talk to a trans person?
 
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I find it quite comforting that while folk have the time and space to get this vexed about this issue it means things generally can't be that bad with society or we'd be preoccupied with things that actually do matter.
If we were struggling to put food on the table or staring extinction in the face then I'm not sure anyone would give a fuck.
 
Tories are scum.

They starve kids.

And what are the opposition doing to change that? Will calling them scum put the food on the kids plates or will they actually be stating some policies to win votes?

This is real life not Geordie Shore.
 
And what are the opposition doing to change that? Will calling them scum put the food on the kids plates or will they actually be stating some policies to win votes?

This is real life not Geordie Shore.
The opposition cant do anything, they are not in power.

Do people really not know how our democracy works.

And yes, starving kids is the behaviour of scum and it needs saying every day this government stays in power.
 
The opposition cant do anything, they are not in power.

Do people really not know how our democracy works.

And yes, starving kids is the behaviour of scum and it needs saying every day this government stays in power.

Labour can’t do anything because they are fucking useless and dead as a party.

A decent opposition can change things through winning votes to get into power.

Calling people scum regardless of whether they have a point or not is not doing anything except making them look like the amateurs they really are.

If it’s acceptable to call a group scum when not in power then if they ever got into actual power god help us all if they use the same Donald Trump tactics on the world stage against individuals, groups or countries.

Luckily that will never happen.
 
Labour can’t do anything because they are fucking useless and dead as a party.
Correct
A decent opposition can change things through winning votes to get into power.
Correct
Calling people scum regardless of whether they have a point or not is not doing anything except making them look like the amateurs they really are.
At least it shows some passion and is nowhere near as bad as the language Johnson uses.
If it’s acceptable to call a group scum when not in power then if they ever got into actual power god help us all if they use the same Donald Trump tactics on the world stage against individuals, groups or countries.
Johnson does it now.
Luckily that will never happen.
Possibly correct, sadly as that means we are stuck with the kid starving scum.
 
At least it shows some passion and is nowhere near as bad as the language Johnson uses.

Johnson does it now.

I don’t understand this from some people though. You can’t criticise an individual or group for what they say or do and then not criticise another individual or group for saying something similar because it’s not as bad as the other group.

It’s either unacceptable and inappropriate language for all or it’s a free for all for everyone else.
 
It's no wonder the LGB Alliance was formed to escape this f**king madness.

Oh! Silly me! I forgot....



Yep. Not a hate group.

This is homophobia:


And this is defending homosexual and lesbian rights:


One of their allies and supporters in parliament "sticking up for Lesbians" but voted against equal marriage act.


This is honestly stuff you would expect to find in a mockumentary.

It’s all a bit silly, you're a silly man.
 
I don’t understand this from some people though. You can’t criticise an individual or group for what they say or do and then not criticise another individual or group for saying something similar because it’s not as bad as the other group.
What do you believe has been said by Conservative MPs that is similar but has been criticised?

To equate what Rayner said to Donald Trump is completely disingenuous.

You might feel the language she used inappropriate but within the context of the quote there was nothing Trumpian about it.

It’s either unacceptable and inappropriate language for all or it’s a free for all for everyone else.

That's not how language works though, context is everything.
 

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