Keir Starmer

gordondaviesmoustache said:
I think he’ll be bolder, possibly much bolder, once he’s in, but what a sad indictment of our shitty electioral system that he feels the need to be dishonest to get into office. A fucking farce.

I just hope he doesn’t do a Blair if he gets a decent majority, in terms of electoral reform, because the country desperately needs an overhaul of its institutions and he’ll have the opportunity to change our society for the better.
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That is what irks many, he is going all a clone of cameron to appeal to the tory vote and annoying the party left and centre.It is a sad indictment of our current political system that politicians cannot be honnest because even though 10 million could vote for your party it iisn't refelcts in westminster

I mean just under 900000 voted green and 3.5 million voted lib dem yet a hypothetical 3 party coalition to keep the tories out was imposible because of 1st past the post
 
urban genie said:
That is what irks many, he is going all a clone of cameron to appeal to the tory vote and annoying the party left and centre.It is a sad indictment of our current political system that politicians cannot be honnest because even though 10 million could vote for your party it iisn't refelcts in westminster

I mean just under 900000 voted green and 3.5 million voted lib dem yet a hypothetical 3 party coalition to keep the tories out was imposible because of 1st past the post
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Starmer is only interested in his legacy so 2 terms as PM under fptp is fine by him.
 
urban genie said:
That is what irks many, he is going all a clone of cameron to appeal to the tory vote and annoying the party left and centre.It is a sad indictment of our current political system that politicians cannot be honnest because even though 10 million could vote for your party it iisn't refelcts in westminster

I mean just under 900000 voted green and 3.5 million voted lib dem yet a hypothetical 3 party coalition to keep the tories out was imposible because of 1st past the post
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I just hope he can play the long game with electoral reform, because it was Blair’s failure to do so that has given us the last eight years of Tory majority rule and all the terrible consequences that have flowed from that.
 
hilts said:
The Tories?

Oh you think anyone not enamoured with Starmer must be a Tory. I have no time for people constantly promoting their side tbh but I reserve the right to be amused by the constant PR battle you feel you must win.
On a football forum mainly used by Mancs:-)
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All tories are very enamoured with Starmer.
 
Jamie Driscoll was widely regarded as the best candidate to stand for Labour in the North East Mayoral election.
Because he believes in traditional Labour values lake progressive taxation, regulation or nationalisation of utilities, transport etc, he has been overlooked in favour of a Blairite.
He started a go fund me page this morning hoping to raise £25,000 in I think it was three or four weeks.
He is already at £23,000 and will be standing as in Independent Left candidate.
 
law74 said:
Jamie Driscoll was widely regarded as the best candidate to stand for Labour in the North East Mayoral election.
Because he believes in traditional Labour values lake progressive taxation, regulation or nationalisation of utilities, transport etc, he has been overlooked in favour of a Blairite.
He started a go fund me page this morning hoping to raise £25,000 in I think it was three or four weeks.
He is already at £23,000 and will be standing as in Independent Left candidate.
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A Labour leader with traditional Labour values cannot win a GE in this country. The numbers don’t add up.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
A Labour leader with traditional Labour values cannot win a GE in this country. The numbers don’t add up.
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I wouldn't be too sure about that currently.
The Tories have been drifting further and further to the right since 1979.
We are currently seeing eds reports about record profits for gas and electricity, while your bills go up. We are seeing water co panties increasing bills while discharging raw sewage into the rivers and coastal areas.
The rail networks were in disarray before the industrial action.
Wage stagnation and deflation has caused many to have to cut out any treats they might once have enjoyed.
A centre right "Labour" Party will get a massive majority in the next general election (a recent pole had the self-servatives going down to 69 seats), it there has to be roomin politics for a centre left party (currently the Greens are the nearest we have)
 
TinFoilHat said:
He'll be lucky to finish one.

Caretaker Sir Keir steadying the ship as the Tories regroup and blame him for their mistakes.
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Internal shenanigans may do for him but I really don't think the Tories will be forgiven within 4/5 years. Not this time.

As GDM has stated this is a golden opportunity to put the right wing of the Tory party into extinction but Starmer will go for personal gain instead I believe.
 
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hilts said:
Internal shenanigans may do for him but I really don't think the Tories will be forgiven within 4/5 years. Not this time.

As GDM has stated this is a golden opportunity to put the right wing of the Tory party into extinction but Starmer will personal gain instead I believe.
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Yet you ‘lol’ at my statement.

Come on, give it a ‘Like’ ;-)
 
law74 said:
I wouldn't be too sure about that currently.
The Tories have been drifting further and further to the right since 1979.
We are currently seeing eds reports about record profits for gas and electricity, while your bills go up. We are seeing water co panties increasing bills while discharging raw sewage into the rivers and coastal areas.
The rail networks were in disarray before the industrial action.
Wage stagnation and deflation has caused many to have to cut out any treats they might once have enjoyed.
A centre right "Labour" Party will get a massive majority in the next general election (a recent pole had the self-servatives going down to 69 seats), it there has to be roomin politics for a centre left party (currently the Greens are the nearest we have)
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I genuinely hope you’re right because politics and the balance between public and private sector in this country absolutely needs realigning, but I walk and work among middle England more than most on here - and I fear your perception of the overall mood of the country isn’t totally on point. We are a conservative nation (or at least England is) for better or worse.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I think he’ll be bolder, possibly much bolder, once he’s in, but what a sad indictment of our shitty electioral system that he feels the need to be dishonest to get into office. A fucking farce.

I just hope he doesn’t do a Blair if he gets a decent majority, in terms of electoral reform, because the country desperately needs an overhaul of its institutions and he’ll have the opportunity to change our society for the better.
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I highly doubt he will do anything at all with electoral reform, I don’t expect either of the two main parties to promote it as party policy as they know it might well be the final nail in the coffin for them, both are struggling already to be broad churches.
 
Forget electoral reform from the two main parties.

It’s set up to benefit both so no chance they do anything that would upset the closed shop.
 
bluenova said:
I'd say both considered centre left, rather than on the left of the party.

Even Attlee would have had the Campaign group complaining - Nuclear weapons and NATO were hardly Corbynesque.
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I wouldn’t personally say the left of the party was traditional Labour, but the left of the centre-left was, if that make sense. Benn was the former and Callaghan was the latter imo.
 
Can't fail to see the irony that a man named Keir is at the helm when the trick is about to succeed, albeit 113 years later. The dark lord does have a dark sense of humour.
The standout line is the large font bolded bit in the middle. Sounds like the original Keir read too many Guardian columns and was wired into JOB ;-)

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