Keir Starmer

[Johnny Mars Bar]

I agree with you over the last few pages and most of that post^. But I do think nationalising broadband is a good idea. It’s a necessity for most of us now, especially those increasingly working from home, and it’s a ‘thing’ in South Korea.

South Korea starts universal super high-speed Internet service for all its citizens

Apart from South Korea, the US, Spain, Switzerland, Finland, Malta, Croatia and Sweden offer Switzerland, Finland, Malta, Croatia and Sweden to their citizens.

tech.hindustantimes.com

My concerns about nationalising broadband are less to do with championing the free market and more to do with the dangers of any government taking ownership of private communications infrastructure.

While secure encrypted comms is more and more common it isn't universal and I don't like the idea of the government making it easier and easier to "tap" into citizens' private communications due to them owning the pipeline.

Yes it's probably a bit tin foil hat but it's a slippy slope and I don't want us to become like China.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

No it wasn't, it was described that way by the lunatics at the Mail.

He wanted to make Broadband free across the country paid for by taxation. A sensible supply side reform that would have helped increase productivity.

As a far left "nutter" who would quite happily vote for the Communist Party over Starmer please get your facts right if you are going to criticise us on the "nutter" spectrum of politics.

If we'd put all the HS2 money into nationalised lightning fast broadband to every corner of the UK it'd go a long way to taking more pollution off the roads than ulez, and possibly make living in the sticks more viable and so deflate the prices and pressure on city property.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

My concerns about nationalising broadband are less to do with championing the free market and more to do with the dangers of any government taking ownership of private communications infrastructure.

While secure encrypted comms is more and more common it isn't universal and I don't like the idea of the government making it easier and easier to "tap" into citizens' private communications due to them owning the pipeline.

Yes it's probably a bit tin foil hat but it's a slippy slope and I don't want us to become like China.

Tbh mate I think that particular genie is well and truly out the bottle

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Tbh mate I think that particular genie is well and truly out the bottle

Oh I agree, to a large extent it is. Look at what the social media companies have done with building backdoors. Edward Snowden's book is a terrifying read in that regard.

But I don't agree with making it easier for the government - any government - to gain access to the communications of private individuals.

Imagine a scenario where the government of the day decided the opinions of their critics were too "extreme" and blocked access. It's already happened in places like Russia and China.

Left or right, that is completely wrong.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Wes Streeting is waiting to take over and he has the perfect "weapon" to become leader.

He's a bigger **** than Starmer.

He'd happily scupper a labour minority/coalition to achieve it as well.

 

[metalblue]

Oh I agree, to a large extent it is. Look at what the social media companies have done with building backdoors. Edward Snowden's book is a terrifying read in that regard.

But I don't agree with making it easier for the government - any government - to gain access to the communications of private individuals.

Imagine a scenario where the government of the day decided the opinions of their critics were too "extreme" and blocked access. It's already happened in places like Russia and China.

Left or right, that is completely wrong.

Or when deciding what is acceptable under the veil of fake news. Although I don’t think ownership is the issue, the same issues can arise from regulation.

 

[mexico1970]

Or when deciding what is acceptable under the veil of fake news. Although I don’t think ownership is the issue, the same issues can arise from regulation.

There are genuinely just two sides on Twitter IMHO, and they constantly bicker like children even to the point of denying facts or making up their own facts to suit a narrative that they push.

This landscape isn't filled with political giants trying to change the world, it's choc a bloc full of childish backbiting deadheads who can't see the wood for the trees.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

There are genuinely just two sides on Twitter IMHO, and they constantly bicker like children even to the point of denying facts or making up their own facts to suit a narrative that they push.

This landscape isn't filled with political giants trying to change the world, it's choc a bloc full of childish backbiting deadheads who can't see the wood for the trees.

A bit like the player performances threads then.

 

[mexico1970]

A bit like the player performances threads then.

Left or right it's all shite mate ;)

 

[Postman Pep]

Breath of fresh air :)

 

[Two Gun Bob]

Starving children

An excellent harvest.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Interesting that Marr claims Starmer is trapped by his chancellor's austerity policy.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Interesting that Marr claims Starmer is trapped by his chancellor's austerity policy.

For me, Marr has pointed out exactly what Labour are going to do in the run-up to the GE. The 3 things he’s said there are exactly where Labour have stressed a different view from the Tories and areas where there is a good chance of winning support.

 

[Rascal]

Interesting that Marr claims Starmer is trapped by his chancellor's austerity policy.

Marr is quite brilliant, his NS pieces are superb, insightful and normally bang on the money.


Kid Starver is trapped by the nutcase Reeves, who despite being reasonably well educated still lives under the idiotic illusion that the countries financie's are similar to household financies, a myth propogated by the Thatcherite monsters.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Marr is quite brilliant, his NS pieces are superb, insightful and normally bang on the money.


Kid Starver is trapped by the nutcase Reeves, who despite being reasonably well educated still lives under the idiotic illusion that the countries financie's are similar to household financies, a myth propogated by the Thatcherite monsters.

Think Marr pretty much told Keith how to win the election.

With regards to Reeves I still can't get over saying she can't understand why she's accused of being blue labour to Nick Robinson in an interview a couple of years ago.

That's an amazing lack of self awareness.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Marr is quite brilliant, his NS pieces are superb, insightful and normally bang on the money.


Kid Starver is trapped by the nutcase Reeves, who despite being reasonably well educated still lives under the idiotic illusion that the countries financie's are similar to household financies, a myth propogated by the Thatcherite monsters.

To be fair, mate, Reeves isn’t holding Starmer back, it’s all part of the plan, which Marr touched on. Nothing that can scare the banks or people in the first couple of years and then implementation of policies that really refresh this country.

In fact, I’d say that Marr is just telling us exactly what Labour are going to do.

 

[Rascal]

Think Marr pretty much told Keith how to win the election.

With regards to Reeves I still can't get over saying she can't understand why she's accused of being blue labour to Nick Robinson in an interview a couple of years ago.

That's an amazing lack of self awareness.

She can not understand because deep down despite her education i think she is really fucking stupid.

Saying that Blue Labour was more about small "c" Conservative values rather than typical Conservative economic values. Reeves to me is an exponent of both, she is pro austerity and socially conservative, a typical Blairite without a radical thought in her head. She voted in favour of all the anti working class legislation introduced since the election of Cameron and as for her being a future chancellor of the exchequer, i would rather have my next door neighbours cat, at least she is curious.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

She can not understand because deep down despite her education i think she is really fucking stupid.

Saying that Blue Labour was more about small "c" Conservative values rather than typical Conservative economic values. Reeves to me is an exponent of both, she is pro austerity and socially conservative, a typical Blairite without a radical thought in her head. She voted in favour of all the anti working class legislation introduced since the election of Cameron and as for her being a future chancellor of the exchequer, i would rather have my next door neighbours cat, at least she is curious.

In other words, a perfect foil for Labour to get into government.

As Labour would say, at this point, Curiosity Killed the Cat.

 

[blueinsa]

Blairite….

It’s right up there as a slur on here along with nonce, Nazi, Tory boy and right wing nut job.

Poor Tony.

 

[Rascal]

Blairite….

It’s right up their as a slur on here along with nonce, Nazi, Tory boy and right wing nut job.

Poor Tony.

I do not think he is a nonce