Keir Starmer

Vic said:
But he's never said that. The essential unfairness is that on average the poorest pensioners get less pension than the richest pensioners - because, being rich, they live longer so take the pension for many more years than poor pensioners, so get way more benefit from the pension. (They've probably paid more tax, but these 25/30 years of pensions are being paid for now by people in work with vastly higher housing costs and who won't get the pension till 68 or later.)
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He said no one would dare reduce pensions and that is what i was replying to I'm not responsible for his lack of clarity, anyhow i know you have a bizarre problem with pensioners but the latest of yeah but being rich means you will live longer is hilarious.
What you suggesting here shooting them at 75? Reducing the state pension for rich folk? , if they get cancer at 70 do you give them what they lost out on for not living longer? These people will have paid their tax not just once in working but twice during retirement. The private pension is given to them by companies they worked for, it has nothing to do with us.
There is a social agreement that people rich or poor get a state pension, a pension which is lower than most other wealthy and not so wealthy European countries.
We all started our working lives with this promise.

Grab the money from elsewhere.
 
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Looks like we got rid of one clown show but invited the next circus to town without checking their credentials properly. The Tories and Labour are finished.
 
WRicko said:
Better than the alternatives his previous job makes him relatively qualified for the unique job doing a good job with Europe and the rest of the world
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He doesn’t make any decisions, he is accused of waffling for hours to avoid making decisions. That’s why he does well in a talking shop like international relations.
 
mancityvstoke said:
You really cannot apply those things to every single pensioner in the UK who are mostly struggling to put the heating on.

For those not rich where do you propose they live? Freeze to death on the streets or in a tent?

Do you seriously believe all pensioners are fucking loaded?
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Indeed.

The UK state pension is already just about the meanest around when compared to our competitors', and people want to make it worse?

I'm a few years from being able to draw it but have paid a bloody fortune in NI for 40 years and to be told just before I can draw it, "sorry we're cutting it back" would be an unacceptable slap in the face.

Final salary pensions have been a luxury only enjoyed by the public sector for years already. It's not a situation that all pensioners are loaded, or they wouldn't be needing the WFA, would they.
 
mackenzie said:
Streeting is definitely playing the long game. He is relatively young for a politician and I think has his eye on the "next time."
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I actually think he was gonna go for it but was surprised by the lack of support and is now waiting to see how it pans out. I think we could all be waiting till after the makerfield result for any meaningful developments now. Gonna be a long month or more.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Hmmmmm the only problem with that is IF he loses the Makerfield seat having already resigned the Mayor of Manchester post..... where will these guys be then I wonder? I am pretty certain Starmer won't be having them in his cabinet.
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Powell was supporting Starmer only days ago saying the whole thing was an unneeded distraction.
Notice though how they are saying things like it would be good to have Andy on the team or on the pitch. They didnt mention the leadership. Leaving themselves a get out but its far too transparent.
 
hilts said:
I actually think he was gonna go for it but was surprised by the lack of support and is now waiting to see how it pans out. I think we could all be waiting till after the makerfield result for any meaningful developments now. Gonna be a long month or more.
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Certainly is.
 
Vic said:
Whose oral vocabulary is different from their written vocabulary?

I'd invite you to join the Pedants' Society but someone would point out it's the Society of Pedants.
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My written vocabulary largely depends on the device I'm using. If I'm on a phone, then I'm not launching in to an essay on things. If I'm on a laptop, then I'll put more effort in (maybe).
 
Ban-jani said:
I get on with you generally, you might not give a fuck about my opinion but having met GDM multiple times, I can assure you he’s a great bloke.
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He may very well be. I am ;-)

But he doesn't behave like it on here. He behaves like a pompous, condescending nob.
 
hilts said:
Yet loads of other countries pay a bigger state pension than us. Why you trying to harm some of the poorest people in the country?
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Agreed. And even if only taking state pension of people ago can possibly manage with smaller state pensions, how is that fair exactly?

Cohort A - you have not saved enough, so here is your full state pension.

Cohort B - you have been wise. You have made sacrifices and saved. You have forgone benefits so you can be better off in your old age. Well done. You are now not getting a full state pension so Cohort A can have it.

This is diabolical.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Agreed. And even if only taking state pension of people ago can possibly manage with smaller state pensions, how is that fair exactly?

Cohort A - you have not saved enough, so here is your full state pension.

Cohort B - you have been wise. You have made sacrifices and saved. You have forgone benefits so you can be better off in your old age. Well done. You are now not getting a full state pension so Cohort A can have it.

This is diabolical.
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I need to lie down. I actually agree with a Chippy post in the politics forum :)
 
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