George Hannah
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it's a grisly debate and exceptionally uninformed on the increasing importance of the "young superstar" marketFalastur said:George Hannah said:your own position on the great wiki deletionist/inclusionist divide seems to be quite clear too ;-)Falastur said:In fairness, Wikipedia's guidelines on notability for players are quite clear: if they have played in a competitive game in a professional competition, they can have an article. Iheanacho has not done this.
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Actually I'm an inclusionist and would love for the article to be kept. I've simply been around Wikipedia long enough to know which battles can be won and which cannot, and you never win an argument over a footballer being notable if they haven't played a competitive professional game. It's an argument I've been involved in or watched plenty of times. In some areas the guidelines on notability are porous, in some areas they are strict. For footballers they are very black and white.
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if anyone's interested you need to follow a couple of links from here to get to the current status of the discussion
Keep Meets WP:GNG with long, detailed, significant coverage such as [1] [2] [3] Nfitz (talk) 17:28, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Comment - that seems only to discuss transfer talk. Also this is not a lengthy article on the player, most of the article is about unrelated matters. this is just a speculative article, as is this. To be honest, there are also WP:BLP1E issues here, if all that can be found is specualtion about one transfer move. Fenix down (talk) 17:55, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Your missing a key element of these articles. Your focusing on the transfer discussion, and ignore the consistent element that exists in many of the articles that cover him, noting that he was "the star player at the Under-17 World Cup". Not a star player, but THE star player at 2013 FIFA U-17 World Cup; he was awarded the Adidas Golden Ball. He was also awarded the CAF "most promising talent" [4] award. Combined with the the international coverage of his transfer, his receiving international media coverage for 3 different events. Nfitz (talk) 03:36, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
But what your missing is the consensus, of which I belive you are aware, that non-senior international achievements are deemed inherently non-notable per WP:NFOOTY.
What you are missing is that WP:NFOOTY is irrelevant, as he meets WP:GNG through the international media coverage of these 3 different events. Nfitz (talk) 11:14, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Keep - If its about extensive significant media coverage of his career, he totally passes GNG. The only reason why I was skeptical about giving my keep vote was that I thought not making an official debut for Nigeria as an U-17 player will always count against his notability. but I believe his career has enough significant coverage to make him pass GNG. If I may also add, all the other 2 nominees(Ebenezer Assifuah and Saleh_Gomaa) he competed against to win the CAF Award are all professional players. 1, 2, 3. Darreg (talk) 08:32, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Being a professional player is not relevant, they need to be playing in a fully professional league or have played senior international football. So far, there is a small amount of WP:ROUTINE transfer speculation about these players. Fenix down (talk) 09:08, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
I only made reference to Professional Players just to prove that the award he won was not an under-age award but a continental first level Award. I know he does NOT meet WP:NFOOTY but what about GNG? I believe significant media coverage coupled with a continental award makes him pass GNG. Darreg (talk) 11:50, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Looking at that link, the award seems to be for playing in the U-17 world cup. Plus the length of coverage in that article is barely a sentence. Fenix down (talk) 12:21, 7 April 2014 (UTC)