tenententen
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Get this kid under any circumstances, before rival clubs poach him away. Iheanacho is too good for his age group
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Kelechi Iheanacho
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I was very impressed seeing him play in the "States" pre season games for us. Not short on confidence and skill. If we could have got a work permit sorted out I think he would have been close to becoming a first team player. Hopefully after a loan period and signing him on the 3rd of October his birthday, we can see him star for us in the future. Looked a great talent.
BillyShears
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Cheers everyone for the info on the Columbus Crew game/loan deal.
I guess it's not really going to have been of a great standard, the training game they played, but again, Kelechi goes and scores three times. He looked likely to score in every pre season game we played too.
There's definitely something about this boy which extends beyond just emerging talent. Cannot wait for October and the work permit hearing to see what happens next.
Question - does anyone know whether he can be registered to play in the CL and PL before January? Seems a bit of a grey area because I guess technically he's already our player so maybe his name will be submitted in the CL squad. IN the PL we can't name him because he doesn't have a work permit. Does that mean once he gets one he can be added?
I guess it's not really going to have been of a great standard, the training game they played, but again, Kelechi goes and scores three times. He looked likely to score in every pre season game we played too.
There's definitely something about this boy which extends beyond just emerging talent. Cannot wait for October and the work permit hearing to see what happens next.
Question - does anyone know whether he can be registered to play in the CL and PL before January? Seems a bit of a grey area because I guess technically he's already our player so maybe his name will be submitted in the CL squad. IN the PL we can't name him because he doesn't have a work permit. Does that mean once he gets one he can be added?
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On a sunny Wednesday afternoon in Obetz, the Crew defeated Dayton Dutch Lions FC by a 5-1 score in a friendly scrimmage.
The match was an opportunity for select Black & Gold players to stay sharp as well as to continue fostering the relationship with the club's USL-PRO affiliate. Ben Speas notched two goals for the Crew and guest trainee Kelechi Iheanacho of Manchester City added a hat trick. Sporting Director and Head Coach Gregg Berhalter said that Iheanacho, 17, is training with the Crew to maintain fitness before rejoining the Barclays Premier League side in mid-October.
"It's been unfortunate that we haven't had enough reserve games for the guys that haven't been playing," said Berhalter. "This is an opportunity for them to get game time. We did that in an abbreviated form [with two 35-minute halves]. Overall, I thought it was helpful. Guys like Hector [Jimenez], Jairo [Arrieta], Daniel [Paladini], Kevan [George] -- to give them some minutes -- Chad [Barson], all the guys, it was definitely worthwhile."
George and Paladini also started together in the holding midfield role. Both are candidates to start on Sunday against Chivas USA in the absences of Wil Trapp and Tony Tchani due to yellow-card accumulation.
"I thought [the pairing] was good. I thought they controlled the game from the middle," said the Crew boss. "Defensively, they were both good. I was pleased."
Matty
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Mister Appointment said:Cheers everyone for the info on the Columbus Crew game/loan deal.
I guess it's not really going to have been of a great standard, the training game they played, but again, Kelechi goes and scores three times. He looked likely to score in every pre season game we played too.
There's definitely something about this boy which extends beyond just emerging talent. Cannot wait for October and the work permit hearing to see what happens next.
Question - does anyone know whether he can be registered to play in the CL and PL before January? Seems a bit of a grey area because I guess technically he's already our player so maybe his name will be submitted in the CL squad. IN the PL we can't name him because he doesn't have a work permit. Does that mean once he gets one he can be added?
If my understanding of the rules is correct then, as soon as we sign him to professional terms he'd be eligible to play in the Premier League. I'd have thought he's already signed for City but we haven't applied for a work permit yet (as we can't). If we apply when he hits 18, and it's approved, then he doesn't need to be registered for the Premier League due to his age. If the work permit bid fails then I suspect we'll loan him out to a club and try again at a later point. As for the Champion's League, I believe he's ineligible. He's under 21, but hasn't been at City for 2 years, so needs to be registered to play. He isn't registered so can't play in the group stage, he'd have to wait until January and see if we revised our squad at that time.
BillyShears
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Matty said:Mister Appointment said:Cheers everyone for the info on the Columbus Crew game/loan deal.
I guess it's not really going to have been of a great standard, the training game they played, but again, Kelechi goes and scores three times. He looked likely to score in every pre season game we played too.
There's definitely something about this boy which extends beyond just emerging talent. Cannot wait for October and the work permit hearing to see what happens next.
Question - does anyone know whether he can be registered to play in the CL and PL before January? Seems a bit of a grey area because I guess technically he's already our player so maybe his name will be submitted in the CL squad. IN the PL we can't name him because he doesn't have a work permit. Does that mean once he gets one he can be added?
If my understanding of the rules is correct then, as soon as we sign him to professional terms he'd be eligible to play in the Premier League. I'd have thought he's already signed for City but we haven't applied for a work permit yet (as we can't). If we apply when he hits 18, and it's approved, then he doesn't need to be registered for the Premier League due to his age. If the work permit bid fails then I suspect we'll loan him out to a club and try again at a later point. As for the Champion's League, I believe he's ineligible. He's under 21, but hasn't been at City for 2 years, so needs to be registered to play. He isn't registered so can't play in the group stage, he'd have to wait until January and see if we revised our squad at that time.
Thanks Matty.
Newman Noggs
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I posted this in the EDS thread but it bears repetition. I can't see any way that he will get a work permit without playing somewhere on teh continent for two years and breaking into the full international team on a regular basis.
"I predict that he won't get a work permit. Players have to be deemed to be of the "highest calibre". In order for a non-EU player to secure a work permit, the player must meet the following two requirements:
1.The player must have participated in at least 75 percent of his home country’s senior competitive international matches where he was available for selection during the two years preceding the date of application; and
2.The player’s National Association must be at or above 70th place in the official FIFA World Rankings when averaged over the two years preceding the date of application21
The FA defines “senior competitive international matches” as World Cup matches and qualifiers, continental tournaments and qualifiers (i.e. UEFA European Championships, CAF African Cup of Nations, CONMEBOL Copa America), and Confederations Cup matches. It's the next bit that concerns me. There is a right of appeal to an "independent panel"
When the "independent panel" was initially formed, just prior to the start of the 1999-2000 season, both the panel composition and the rationale behind the decision were made public. Now, however, the panel’s deliberations are confidential and the breakdown of the votes are not disclosed to the public, or even to the appellate club or among the panel itself. Only the final decision as to whether to endorse the player’s work permit is made public.
In other words, the make up of the panel is secret as is its reasoning for accepting one player but not another. As I say, I'd put money on his not getting a work permit."
"I predict that he won't get a work permit. Players have to be deemed to be of the "highest calibre". In order for a non-EU player to secure a work permit, the player must meet the following two requirements:
1.The player must have participated in at least 75 percent of his home country’s senior competitive international matches where he was available for selection during the two years preceding the date of application; and
2.The player’s National Association must be at or above 70th place in the official FIFA World Rankings when averaged over the two years preceding the date of application21
The FA defines “senior competitive international matches” as World Cup matches and qualifiers, continental tournaments and qualifiers (i.e. UEFA European Championships, CAF African Cup of Nations, CONMEBOL Copa America), and Confederations Cup matches. It's the next bit that concerns me. There is a right of appeal to an "independent panel"
When the "independent panel" was initially formed, just prior to the start of the 1999-2000 season, both the panel composition and the rationale behind the decision were made public. Now, however, the panel’s deliberations are confidential and the breakdown of the votes are not disclosed to the public, or even to the appellate club or among the panel itself. Only the final decision as to whether to endorse the player’s work permit is made public.
In other words, the make up of the panel is secret as is its reasoning for accepting one player but not another. As I say, I'd put money on his not getting a work permit."
BillyShears
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Wreckless Alec said:I posted this in the EDS thread but it bears repetition. I can't see any way that he will get a work permit without playing somewhere on teh continent for two years and breaking into the full international team on a regular basis.
"I predict that he won't get a work permit. Players have to be deemed to be of the "highest calibre". In order for a non-EU player to secure a work permit, the player must meet the following two requirements:
1.The player must have participated in at least 75 percent of his home country’s senior competitive international matches where he was available for selection during the two years preceding the date of application; and
2.The player’s National Association must be at or above 70th place in the official FIFA World Rankings when averaged over the two years preceding the date of application21
The FA defines “senior competitive international matches” as World Cup matches and qualifiers, continental tournaments and qualifiers (i.e. UEFA European Championships, CAF African Cup of Nations, CONMEBOL Copa America), and Confederations Cup matches. It's the next bit that concerns me. There is a right of appeal to an "independent panel"
When the "independent panel" was initially formed, just prior to the start of the 1999-2000 season, both the panel composition and the rationale behind the decision were made public. Now, however, the panel’s deliberations are confidential and the breakdown of the votes are not disclosed to the public, or even to the appellate club or among the panel itself. Only the final decision as to whether to endorse the player’s work permit is made public.
In other words, the make up of the panel is secret as is its reasoning for accepting one player but not another. As I say, I'd put money on his not getting a work permit."
In theory you could very well be right. Although there's a pretty obvious precedent in John Obi Mikel's transfer. As far as I can see he didn't get a full international cap until after his move to Chelsea. He also made his name in the same youth tournament that Kelechi's made his name in.
Newman Noggs
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Mister Appointment said:Wreckless Alec said:I posted this in the EDS thread but it bears repetition. I can't see any way that he will get a work permit without playing somewhere on teh continent for two years and breaking into the full international team on a regular basis.
"I predict that he won't get a work permit. Players have to be deemed to be of the "highest calibre". In order for a non-EU player to secure a work permit, the player must meet the following two requirements:
1.The player must have participated in at least 75 percent of his home country’s senior competitive international matches where he was available for selection during the two years preceding the date of application; and
2.The player’s National Association must be at or above 70th place in the official FIFA World Rankings when averaged over the two years preceding the date of application21
The FA defines “senior competitive international matches” as World Cup matches and qualifiers, continental tournaments and qualifiers (i.e. UEFA European Championships, CAF African Cup of Nations, CONMEBOL Copa America), and Confederations Cup matches. It's the next bit that concerns me. There is a right of appeal to an "independent panel"
When the "independent panel" was initially formed, just prior to the start of the 1999-2000 season, both the panel composition and the rationale behind the decision were made public. Now, however, the panel’s deliberations are confidential and the breakdown of the votes are not disclosed to the public, or even to the appellate club or among the panel itself. Only the final decision as to whether to endorse the player’s work permit is made public.
In other words, the make up of the panel is secret as is its reasoning for accepting one player but not another. As I say, I'd put money on his not getting a work permit."
In theory you could very well be right. Although there's a pretty obvious precedent in John Obi Mikel's transfer. As far as I can see he didn't get a full international cap until after his move to Chelsea. He also made his name in the same youth tournament that Kelechi's made his name in.
Ah but there were extenuating circumstances in that United stood to make £12m if the deal went through !
Matty
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Mister Appointment said:Wreckless Alec said:I posted this in the EDS thread but it bears repetition. I can't see any way that he will get a work permit without playing somewhere on teh continent for two years and breaking into the full international team on a regular basis.
"I predict that he won't get a work permit. Players have to be deemed to be of the "highest calibre". In order for a non-EU player to secure a work permit, the player must meet the following two requirements:
1.The player must have participated in at least 75 percent of his home country’s senior competitive international matches where he was available for selection during the two years preceding the date of application; and
2.The player’s National Association must be at or above 70th place in the official FIFA World Rankings when averaged over the two years preceding the date of application21
The FA defines “senior competitive international matches” as World Cup matches and qualifiers, continental tournaments and qualifiers (i.e. UEFA European Championships, CAF African Cup of Nations, CONMEBOL Copa America), and Confederations Cup matches. It's the next bit that concerns me. There is a right of appeal to an "independent panel"
When the "independent panel" was initially formed, just prior to the start of the 1999-2000 season, both the panel composition and the rationale behind the decision were made public. Now, however, the panel’s deliberations are confidential and the breakdown of the votes are not disclosed to the public, or even to the appellate club or among the panel itself. Only the final decision as to whether to endorse the player’s work permit is made public.
In other words, the make up of the panel is secret as is its reasoning for accepting one player but not another. As I say, I'd put money on his not getting a work permit."
In theory you could very well be right. Although there's a pretty obvious precedent in John Obi Mikel's transfer. As far as I can see he didn't get a full international cap until after his move to Chelsea. He also made his name in the same youth tournament that Kelechi's made his name in.
Yeah, Kelechi pretty clearly fails to meet the standard criteria for a work permit, whilst Nigeria are definitely within the Top 70 nations in the World he hasn't been capped as yet. We'd need to go down the route of claiming he's an "exceptional talent the like of which isn't available to us from within the UK at present". The relatively poor showings of the English national side, and youth sides, combined with Kelechi's displays in pre-season (we can point to his involvement with the first team, and his goalscoring exploits against Kansas City and, more impressively, AC Milan) have to help us on that score. There's no guarantees with work permits, and the rules seem to be applied pretty arbitrarily, but I reckon he's got a chance of being approved. He's certainly, in my eyes, an "exceptional talent", to be involved with players the level of which we have despite being only 17 shows that, it's just whether the work permit people agree.
Rösler von Stretfordbömber
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Matty (or anyone with greater insight than me),
Are these work permit people relatively fair and impartial? Or are they the sort of "fair and impartial" we will get from UEFA as long as David Fuckface Gill is on their board?
Are these work permit people relatively fair and impartial? Or are they the sort of "fair and impartial" we will get from UEFA as long as David Fuckface Gill is on their board?
Hopefully the panel will just see 'manchester' and assume they are doing the scum another favour rather than it being us, reckon thats our best chance. Some right dross has got through as an 'exceptional talent' so you'd hope this kid would make it.
By being Portuguese?waspish said:How did Bebe get a work permit for the scum that's what I'd like to know!!
Matty
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Rösler von Stretfordbömber said:Matty (or anyone with greater insight than me),
Are these work permit people relatively fair and impartial? Or are they the sort of "fair and impartial" we will get from UEFA as long as David Fuckface Gill is on their board?
They are relatively strict I think is the best way of describing them.
In the majority of cases they have hard and fast rules, and you either fail or pass them. Kelechi is one where a degree of flexibility could be applied. They won't be inclined to do City any favours but, equally, they probably have no reason to be vindictive towards us either.
BigOscar said:By being Portuguese?waspish said:How did Bebe get a work permit for the scum that's what I'd like to know!!
Ah yes
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He won the homeless world cup!!waspish said:How did Bebe get a work permit for the scum that's what I'd like to know!!
NeilYoungIsBack
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Is there scope for a legal challenge if a work permit application is rejected ?
SlimShadyRus
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Wreckless Alec said:When the "independent panel" was initially formed, just prior to the start of the 1999-2000 season, both the panel composition and the rationale behind the decision were made public. Now, however, the panel’s deliberations are confidential and the breakdown of the votes are not disclosed to the public, or even to the appellate club or among the panel itself. Only the final decision as to whether to endorse the player’s work permit is made public.
In other words, the make up of the panel is secret as is its reasoning for accepting one player but not another. As I say, I'd put money on his not getting a work permit."
While reading this, I immediately imagined how easily some clubs could f-k it all and sign everybody, if this system was in Russia
Maybe we can do smth like that, giving them some money like it was with Jo? Or we can do it legally as this lad is really talented, very young and has the tittle of the FIFA World Cup u17 best player