Ketogenic Diet

I always think these types of diets are unsustainable and consequently a waste of time. I have been overweight and it was due solely to me being a greedy ****. I think for long term health and being able to walk a slight incline without dying in a heap, you need to eat a balance and stop thinking a month or two will get you sorted. It won’t.

I walk a lot now, don’t eat meat, not because of health, just I don’t like the idea of killing them, have cut down on trying to drink as if I am 25, and I feel great. No magic wand, no miracle diet, no detox utter fucking garbage, just an honest acceptance that it is my fault I got fat and unfit and no quick fix will work, and the same me can fix it. So far so good.
 
Maybe slightly off topic as not low carb/keto but of a similar vein. I wasn’t convinced by this one diet fits all logic as we all have different metabolisms (particularly if you have thyroid issues or other immune system issues) and figured how I burn carbs or fat is different to you so got a lumen device. Not cheap and not for everyone but I find it’s very smart, you blow in to it before and after meals / workouts and it gives you a score between 1 and 5. 1 is your body is burning all fat, 3 it’s burning fat and carbs evenly and 5 it’s burning all carbs. It encourages you to be burning carbs before a workout and gives you an extra carb portion (1 slice of small loaf wholewheat bread is effectively a carb portion). The logic being if you are trying to lose weight you want to wake up in fat burn mode because your body as used all its fuels from the previous day and now burning fat stores. You tell the app if you want to lose weight, gain weight or maintain.

Each day the app works out different macros for carbs, fats and protein and if you wake up in fat burn 4 days on the spin it gives you carb boost days. It can be a bit mind altering at first as you plan your days meals once you get your first score but it’s easy enough to get in to the rhythm. It also works out how adaptive your body is in flipping between burning carbs and fats.
 
Magicpole said:
I always think these types of diets are unsustainable and consequently a waste of time. I have been overweight and it was due solely to me being a greedy ****. I think for long term health and being able to walk a slight incline without dying in a heap, you need to eat a balance and stop thinking a month or two will get you sorted. It won’t.

I walk a lot now, don’t eat meat, not because of health, just I don’t like the idea of killing them, have cut down on trying to drink as if I am 25, and I feel great. No magic wand, no miracle diet, no detox utter fucking garbage, just an honest acceptance that it is my fault I got fat and unfit and no quick fix will work, and the same me can fix it. So far so good.
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Keto is excellent if like me there is a massive family genes for diabetes , i have lost near four and half stone in 8/ 9 months , dangerous middle body far gone .truth is i found it really easy aside from first week and could happily stay on it as it really suits me but i dont wnt to keep losing weight , the transition back to a good carb , no junk diet is the difficult bit

Also my only excersise is some walking due to my legs being crap , glad you do well on your diet but wouldnt have suited me , we are all different
 
metalblue said:
Maybe slightly off topic as not low carb/keto but of a similar vein. I wasn’t convinced by this one diet fits all logic as we all have different metabolisms (particularly if you have thyroid issues or other immune system issues) and figured how I burn carbs or fat is different to you so got a lumen device. Not cheap and not for everyone but I find it’s very smart, you blow in to it before and after meals / workouts and it gives you a score between 1 and 5. 1 is your body is burning all fat, 3 it’s burning fat and carbs evenly and 5 it’s burning all carbs. It encourages you to be burning carbs before a workout and gives you an extra carb portion (1 slice of small loaf wholewheat bread is effectively a carb portion). The logic being if you are trying to lose weight you want to wake up in fat burn mode because your body as used all its fuels from the previous day and now burning fat stores. You tell the app if you want to lose weight, gain weight or maintain.

Each day the app works out different macros for carbs, fats and protein and if you wake up in fat burn 4 days on the spin it gives you carb boost days. It can be a bit mind altering at first as you plan your days meals once you get your first score but it’s easy enough to get in to the rhythm. It also works out how adaptive your body is in flipping between burning carbs and fats.
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Never heard of that , sounds interesting, how is it working for you ?
 
kaz7 said:
Keto is excellent if like me there is a massive family genes for diabetes , i have lost near four and half stone in 8/ 9 months , dangerous middle body far gone .truth is i found it really easy aside from first week and could happily stay on it as it really suits me but i dont wnt to keep losing weight , the transition back to a good carb , no junk diet is the difficult bit

Also my only excersise is some walking due to my legs being crap , glad you do well on your diet but wouldnt have suited me , we are all different
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Apart from insanity, our genes are healthy so I get what you’re saying. Glad to hear you’ve lost that weight.
 
kaz7 said:
Never heard of that , sounds interesting, how is it working for you ?
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Very well for the most part. Biggest shock was finding out how much fruit spiked the carbs. Always thought fruit was your friend. Great way of getting “healthy” carbs in to you on a high carb day though. Tend to have a small banana before workout for the extra carb and can go from a 3 to a 5 pretty instantly. Back from workout at a 3, ideally want to be a 3 when going to sleep and wake up a 2 or 1…at a push go to sleep as a 2 but you can stress the body. When you stress the body by not eating right / enough you can wake up a 4 or 5… so typically people who want to lose weight think I’ll just eat a lettuce leaf today but actually this machine helps you make good food choices.
 
metalblue said:
Oh and BTW @kaz7 one thing I learnt very recently was in the UK our carbs are already net carbs on nutritional values! I was taking the fibre off again. Only the polyols (if listed) needs to be subtracted from the carbs on a British food nutrition label.
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Yeah that makes things confused unless you are immersed in keto and understand it , some fruit is ok, on keto you only eat berries but not blueberries and defo no bananas , i am liking adding a banana a day and melon and blueberries now i am expanding my diet again but only with plain yog and not on their own

Sounds like your system works well for you , keep me posted on progress
 
metalblue said:
Maybe slightly off topic as not low carb/keto but of a similar vein. I wasn’t convinced by this one diet fits all logic as we all have different metabolisms (particularly if you have thyroid issues or other immune system issues) and figured how I burn carbs or fat is different to you so got a lumen device. Not cheap and not for everyone but I find it’s very smart, you blow in to it before and after meals / workouts and it gives you a score between 1 and 5. 1 is your body is burning all fat, 3 it’s burning fat and carbs evenly and 5 it’s burning all carbs. It encourages you to be burning carbs before a workout and gives you an extra carb portion (1 slice of small loaf wholewheat bread is effectively a carb portion). The logic being if you are trying to lose weight you want to wake up in fat burn mode because your body as used all its fuels from the previous day and now burning fat stores. You tell the app if you want to lose weight, gain weight or maintain.

Each day the app works out different macros for carbs, fats and protein and if you wake up in fat burn 4 days on the spin it gives you carb boost days. It can be a bit mind altering at first as you plan your days meals once you get your first score but it’s easy enough to get in to the rhythm. It also works out how adaptive your body is in flipping between burning carbs and fats.
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sounds confusing.
Why not just make sure you are in a calorie deficit each day?
 
Dr Jacoby said:
Is anyone on BM currently on the Ketogenic diet?

And if so, what have your results been thus far?

After learning that it could potentially be of benefit to those with ADHD and autism, I decided to start the diet on Monday. It’s only day four but I am amazed at how difficult it is to restrict net carbohydrates to under 30 grams each day. I can only seemingly eat nuts, seeds, oils, meat, fish, eggs, cheese and a certain few vegetables.

I don’t know if it’s an indication that I have ‘Keto Flu’ but so far I have been quite tired and lightheaded throughout large periods of the day.
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“The Obesity Code,” by Dr Jason Fung.

Read it, live it, and it’ll change your life.

I fast regularly for 3 day stretches. Day 2 can be hard, but Day 3 is no problem.

OMAD (intermittent fasting by eating One Meal A Day) is also quite easy, once you break your sugar/insulin habit! It is THAT that creates the “fog” and bad feelings on Day 2, as your body goes to get the sugar from you fatty liver and belly fat stores. Once that switch has been flipped, it’s much easier!

Your food “cravings” are a sign of your hidden sugar addiction, which is why the low carb numbers are so hard to maintain. However, if you try to “fix” this by eating lots of low carb meals/snacks during the day, you’re actually HARMING your insulin cycle, not helping it!

IF comes in many forms, but I’ve found a well balanced, but low sugar, OMAD is best for me. Some people prefer the 18-6 or 20-4, so they can get 2 meals in. That’s personal choice.

The results, as long as you eat correctly when you do eat, are not only remarkable in terms of weight and energy levels, but your overall healthy increases dramatically.

We are a bag of chemicals (hormones) that are constantly reacting to what we put in it and when we put it in. Those hormones regulate our bodies to keep us alive the best they can with what they have to work with.

If you can give it what it needs, only as often as it needs it, your body will not only find its new equilibrium, but will thank you for the added health benefits.

Of course, it’s personal to everyone, so the use of “your” should not be taken as me telling “you” what to do.

Good luck to us all!
 
Dr Jacoby said:
I am a shade over 6ft and weigh about 65kg, so weight loss isn’t an aim of mine.

I am experimenting with the diet to see if my energy levels and attention span will improve.

And yes, such a carbohydrate restriction is somewhat of a deterrent.
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Simply satiate yourself with proteins & fats instead.

The carbs simply satisfy your need for sugars. If you can switch your body’s sugar supply to your fat stores, not only is it healthier, but the side benefits are increased vigilance & attention span and energy levels!

A twofer!
 
117 M34 said:
sounds confusing.
Why not just make sure you are in a calorie deficit each day?
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It’s not as confusing as it sounds but it does take a few days to get your head around it. You are always in a calorie deficit (assuming weight loss is your aim) it just switches the macros around - a low carb day without a workout is (currently) 60g net and a high carb day is (currently) 120g or so. Protein is fairly static and it generally switches your calories between carbs and fats. Usually expect a low carb day 4 out of 7 days a week so it’s not so hard to plan once you’ve done the first couple of weeks. Each week it re-accesses what a low carb day should look like for you, the individual, based on how well you burnt carbs the previous week.

What I like about it is it’s based on the individual and how their body is reacting to everything you put in (food) and everything you take out (burning calories) but definitely won’t be for everyone. How do we know your body will burn x amount of calories for example? We don’t, but based on the average height/age/weight we can take an pretty good educated guess. But if that educated guess is over by 100 calories a day for you, you’ll obviously then appear to find weight loss that but harder - which may cause disillusionment and folk giving up. I do think some time in the future diets will become entirely individualised, rather than one size fits all - we are all unique after all - now this device is a long long way from that but it’s perhaps at the very start of that journey.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Because your body will respond by dropping your metabolism to meet that new lower caloric intake. It’s the body’s starvation protection mechanism.
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You know starvation mode is nonsense right? That's why you see the appeal videos from Africa of very skinny kids and people with anorexia.
 
117 M34 said:
You know starvation mode is nonsense right? That's why you see the appeal videos from Africa of very skinny kids and people with anorexia.
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That’s not what he means mate, it IS a ‘mechanism’ the body uses, and different to what we would legitimately refer to as ‘starvation mode’ (almost nobody in this country will suffer from that).
What we need to remember is our body is an incredible survival entity , it has a homeostasis with many things, one being a level of fat it is comfortable with, glycogen levels another, it likes knowing it has lots of energy reserves, and is not in peril, as soon as it notices changes in that, it will kick certain mechanisms into play, one of them being to slow down your metabolic rate to try and reserve energy, another is to signal to the brain you’re low on glycogen (which it relies on when it comes to your fight/flight/freeze/fawn response) do a proper HIIT session, which saps your glycogen like nothing else, and see the cravings you get for carbs, it’s your body’s way of getting you to replenish something it relies on for survival ASAP.
 
I decided I wanted to lose weight at the start of the year , I followed a very complex diet and routine of eating less calories and walking a bit more , worked a treat , I’m thinking of making it into video and book
 
bluebc said:
I decided I wanted to lose weight at the start of the year , I followed a very complex diet and routine of eating less calories and walking a bit more , worked a treat , I’m thinking of making it into video and book
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A perfect starter plan if your diet isn’t brilliant, you live a fairly sedentary life style and you have no autoimmune conditions, which does apply to a lot of people so it could be a best seller.
 
lee_wsm said:
Going to try this tomorrow see how get on could do with shifting some weight any tips
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Depends how much you want to lose mate. Others will probably have their own suggestions but for me;

Maybe start by just looking at your current diet and see what you eat that’s bollocks. I started by cutting out chocolate biscuits and snacks like that during the day, and reduced by beer intake just skip that last pint sort of thing. No other changes and lost a stone pretty easy and wasn’t what you’d call fat to start with.

If you’ve done that and start to plateau and want to lose more then increasing exercise and/or reducing carbs is a good thing. Your body burns carbs and fats for fuel - if you have too many carbs you don’t burn fat and you don’t lose weight. It’s pretty simple really but a low carb diet is quite hard to stick to although there are a lot of low carb firms now so choices are increasing and getting low carb bread and pasta is easy, if expensive. I even had some low carb hot cross buns recently - delicious they were.

Good luck mate
 
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