No, you have missed the quote from Pep regarding DeBruyne as a player in the Bundesliga, in general, when he moved to City.
'Speaking ahead of Bayern’s trip to Wolfsburg in the German Cup, Guardiola, who won 14 major trophies in four years as Barcelona manager before moving to Bavaria, said: ‘How De Bruyne played over 18 months at Wolfsburg was madness'
And reports such as:
'Incoming Manchester City boss Pep Guardiola has already had input on at least one of the club’s transfers, according to Spanish newspaper El Confidencial.
The report claims director of football Txiki Begiristain sought out Guardiola’s opinion before pressing ahead with the £55m deal to sign the Belgium international last summer.' which matches up exactly with the reports people were getting over here.
Of course not every signing was made with a view to being a mainstay in Pep's team, Pellegrini has to be allowed some transfers, but it's pretty obvious Pep was in the loop & that the ones who we signed for 50 mil who haven't even reached their peak yet, were signed with a view to playing under him. No point in signing players like that for a manager who you know, is out the door, & fucking about with their careers in the process, when you could easily sign someone else instead, who both managers would be happy with.
It's obvious that is the case & was obvious when various people were saying the same about Sterling. Clearly Pep wanted both.
Now if DeBruyne starts chucking his toys out of the pram when asked to do different roles, that will be a totally different matter.
But watching him sprinting back at fullback to rescue City's defence when we were going through a bad spell, will not be seen as a weakness by Guardiola. Nor will his part in all 3 goals. It's also telling that DeBruyne was put straight into the team, when clearly behind on fitness, yet others, such as Nasri, had to do extra work. Now DeBruyne will lose his place to them in Pep's first 11 ? Not a cat in hell's chance.
Unless there is a personality clash, DeBruyne will be at City long after Silva etc have gone. Possibly long after Pep has gone.
He is one of the best players in the world & will be one of City's top performers this season, & already is. And Pep knows it, that's why he asked for him.
Pep asked Txiki to break Barca's transfer record to bring Ibrahimovic to the club. He wanted a different kind of player to what he was used to to change the style of the team.
It didn't work out and he bombed him after 6 months.
As much as DeBruyne is a huge talent and Pep is a big admirer of his, even taking in to consideration that Pep requested specifically that we buy him, it doesn't make him bulletproof.
If Guardiola decides that KDB isn't the right fit for the team and we have other players who are more suitable, he won't continue to pick Kev just because he was instrumental in buying him.
I actually think DeBruyne is improving this season, he was excellent against West Ham. He's not really had a pre season so is just getting up to speed with fitness and match sharpness. He's also starting to get to grips with what's needed in that number 8 role.
Guardiola has said he sees DeBruyne playing more games wide than inside. So he's going to be in competition with the revitalised Sterling, Nolito and Sané.
He'll play a load of games for us and be a key player, but the idea that he's unstoppable because Pep bought him, is misguided. Look at Thiago as another example. Pep will do what's best for the team - always.
Pep asked Txiki to break Barca's transfer record to bring Ibrahimovic to the club. He wanted a different kind of player to what he was used to to change the style of the team.
It didn't work out and he bombed him after 6 months.
As much as DeBruyne is a huge talent and Pep is a big admirer of his, even taking in to consideration that Pep requested specifically that we buy him, it doesn't make him bulletproof.
If Guardiola decides that KDB isn't the right fit for the team and we have other players who are more suitable, he won't continue to pick Kev just because he was instrumental in buying him.
I actually think DeBruyne is improving this season, he was excellent against West Ham. He's not really had a pre season so is just getting up to speed with fitness and match sharpness. He's also starting to get to grips with what's needed in that number 8 role.
Guardiola has said he sees DeBruyne playing more games wide than inside. So he's going to be in competition with the revitalised Sterling, Nolito and Sané.
He'll play a load of games for us and be a key player, but the idea that he's unstoppable because Pep bought him, is misguided. Look at Thiago as another example. Pep will do what's best for the team - always.
I didn't say he unstoppable because Pep bought him.
I said Pep bought him because he thinks he's fucking brilliant, which he is, & is already one of our most effective players this season. So he'll play him imo & he'll be fantastic.
Zlatan is a twat, who does his own thing, is the main reason Pep binned him. If DeBruyne does the same, he'll be gone too. His sprinting back 60 yards to rescue City's defence on Sunday, in spite of looking a bit tired in the game at the time, suggests he's fully on board.
Apologies, autocorrect did me there, it should have read "undroppable" not unstoppable.
KDB was absolutely brilliant against West Ham, dangerous in possession and worked his arse off when be didn't have the ball.
Personally I would keep him where he is, I think he's growing in to the role. It's Pep who's said he sees him playing more wide so it's going to be intersting to see who gives way because Sterling has been outstanding so far.
@BillyShears absolutely no question that De Bruyne is one of our 11 most talented players. I expect him to be a key player this year, barring injury I expect him to be in the top 5 for appearances this season.
The reason I'm saying he's not bulletproof is because Ibrahimovic had huge talent but Pep didn't think he was the right fit and did what was right for the team.
Muller is probably Bayern's best player and Guardiola dropped him for their biggest game of the season because he didn't think he was the right fit for the shape he wanted to play.
"Thiago or nothing" Pep said when he arrived at Bayern, but he ended up not being an automatic starter.
I expect DeBruyne to be a key player for us. But in his career so far, the only "bulletproof" / "undroppable" outfied players have been Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and Lahm. All of those players were huge talents but also a perfect fit for every system Guardiola ever played and no one in the squad came anywhere near to challenging them for their spot.
As talented as DeBruyne is, arguably as talented as the group above, I don't think he's as perfect a fit for Guardiola's system as those other players. He also has talent closer to his own to compete with compared with that group. Silva, Gundogan and even Nasri are very healthy competition for him at number 8, and Sterling, Nolito and Sané are healthy competition for him out wide.
Personally the only outfeild player I see as undroppable at the moment is Stones.
So for me DeBruyne is going to be a key player for us this season, but "bulletproof" or "undroppable"? Not quite.
I don't think it's possible to have any undroppable players in the Premier League. Especially not in such a hardworking team. I think they will all have to get used to being dropped.
Pep has already suggested the team would have changed if more players were available.
I think DeBruyne will play in the front 3 at times maybe Silva too.
Yeh I agree with pretty much all of that.
I personally don't think we'll see much of Silva as one of the wide players though.
Not necessarily a fully fledged wide player but if we played 3 4 3 for instance, he could be an option as one of the front 3 coming in from a starting wide position.
Zlatan is a twat, who does his own thing, is the main reason Pep binned him.
Spot On. He was binned for non-footballing reasons, as was Manduzkic in Bayern. Comparing these twats to KDB is more like comparing apples to oranges. In Pep Confidential , pep states that he likes players who are happy to run and create spaces for their team-mates and not care about being at the center of attention for 10-15 mins. KDB has done exactly that in the last 3 game. This guy along with silva and gundogan will be a treat to watch.
but that does not mean he is undroppable
You are absolutely correct , no one in this team is Undroppable.
Sorry but Kun is undroppable.You are absolutely correct , no one in this team is Undroppable.
Jesus Christ, people read in to things what they want to read in to them I suppose.
I wasn't comparing Ibrahimovic's attitude to DeBruyne's, where on earth you've got that notion from I've got absolutely no idea.
An earlier poster suggested that because Pep was instrumental in signing DeBruyne it made him undroppable.
I merely pointed out that there have been players Pep has signed before who were not undroppable such as Ibra and Thiago.
I also used the example of Muller who is a player of huge talent (possibly Bayern's best player) and exemplary behaviour, who Pep dropped for the biggest game of the season because he didn't think he was the right fit for the shape he was going to play.
So the point I was making about DeBruyne is yes he has huge talent, yes he seems like a model pro, yes Guardiola was instrumental in signing him, yes he'll be a key player for us, but that does not mean he is undroppable, as the examples above illustrate.