nevilletogoater-in said:cccc said:schfc6 said:I'm assuming you don't go or you sit behind a goal. Kolarov played the second half in front of where I sit, and he was dragging us forward every time he eventually got the ball. His desire was far greater than that of most. Whilst providing quality, he also provided shape wide and an attacking force, as did Richards.
Kolarov is a decent player, not brilliant I admit but questioning his attributes & effectivness are just daft. Assists are very subjective. Whilst not getting an assist for many goals we have scored, Kolarov has played a key part in many goals. As he did last night.
Is Kolarov worse defensively than Baines, Cole, Evra or Clichy? There is no evidence to suggest he is. Yes he makes the occasional mistake, who doesn't? You mention Lescott, he was a fault for more goals in the first month of the season than Kolarov has been since he joined. Don't get me wrong, I love Lescott and think he's class, my point is, everyone makes mistakes. Even Kompany and Hart. How can people point the finger at Kolarov for our elimination and not Hart? His mistake cost us every bit as much. Hart palming the ball into play has cost us how many goals? All players make mistakes. If you didn't see Kolarov's desire to win last night, and the impact his crossing was having on the game, then I'm suggesting you were either not there or know very little about football.
Kolarov defensively is good, there is no evidence to suggest otherwise. His free kicks are very dangerous, his corners too.
I know you're going to come back with but he hits the first man, or how many free kicks has he scored? If he scores 3-5 free kicks a season that is a decent total especially when he only plays half the games. How many goals/assists does Bains get? Dani Alves get? Maicon get? You will find they get similar or less to Kolarov and all play in a defences that concede far more.
You seem to be a typical fan, moan at everything, fail to see any type of bigger picture. I wouldn't be surprised if you were the buffoon sat behind me slagging Mancini for bringing off the woeful and uninterested Johnson for De Jong. I'm guessing you love the 442, get it forward quickly, get bloody stuck in, shoot on sight policy that unfortunately lingers throughout the stadium.
i can hear you now, shoooot when the ball is 35 yards from goal.
Good post and you're right so many people fail to see the bigger picture.
They see Kolarov get beaten once (maybe twice) and it's 'HE WAS DESTROYED THE WHOLE GAME'. Last night he wasn't great in the first half (as I said) but in the second he didn't do anything wrong really defensively and contributed the majority of the attacking play.
Never seen such outrageous reactions about a player ever.
There's so much shite to filter through in those posts that frankly I can't be arsed responding to all of it so I'll answer some of the main points.
Maybe he's not the worst left back we've ever had, that was a tad OTT on my part so I apologise but it doesn't distract away from the fact that he's still nowhere near the required standard.
Out of the 4 full backs that have been mentioned, I would have any of them in our squad over him anyday and it just so happens that 2 of the 4 you mentioned are regarded as possibly the best in the world when at their peak (Evra & Cole).
I go to every home game, league and cup so I've seen first hand just how many times he shoots with so much power and not much accuracy (he tried it last night in the dying minutes which fortunately took a slight deflection and we got a corner), or how many times his set pieces or corners don't get past the first defender and yet on the rare occasions it does find his intended target (usually some space in front of the goal and not an individual) he's wanked over.
I slag Mancini off when he makes tactical decisions that I don't agree with like last night. I agreed with taking Johnson off and putting De Jong on but then why wait 10 mins before bringing Dzeko on for Pizarro who had been dreadful all night. Also against Swansea, he waited until they scored in the 83rd minute before making a positive substitution by which time there's very little time left for any player to make any sort of impact on the game.
Kolorov was run ragged last night up until Sporting scored their second goal and then they sat back as they knew that the damage had been done. This in turn allowed him to push forward along with the rest of the team in the second half but I think this was down to the manager realising his fuck up in the first half rather than Kolorovs desire to grab the game by the scruff of the neck.
Just because most of his mistakes go unpunished doesn't mean to say that he does not make loads.
If Kolorov was a horse, he would have been put down by now.
There's so much shite to filter through in those posts that frankly I can't be arsed responding to all of it so I'll answer some of the main points.
Maybe he's not the worst left back we've ever had, that was a tad OTT on my part so I apologise but it doesn't distract away from the fact that he's still nowhere near the required standard.
Out of the 4 full backs that have been mentioned, I would have any of them in our squad over him anyday and it just so happens that 2 of the 4 you mentioned are regarded as possibly the best in the world when at their peak (Evra & Cole).
I go to every home game, league and cup so I've seen first hand just how many times he shoots with so much power and not much accuracy (he tried it last night in the dying minutes which fortunately took a slight deflection and we got a corner), or how many times his set pieces or corners don't get past the first defender and yet on the rare occasions it does find his intended target (usually some space in front of the goal and not an individual) he's wanked over.
I slag Mancini off when he makes tactical decisions that I don't agree with like last night. I agreed with taking Johnson off and putting De Jong on but then why wait 10 mins before bringing Dzeko on for Pizarro who had been dreadful all night. Also against Swansea, he waited until they scored in the 83rd minute before making a positive substitution by which time there's very little time left for any player to make any sort of impact on the game.
Kolorov was run ragged last night up until Sporting scored their second goal and then they sat back as they knew that the damage had been done. This in turn allowed him to push forward along with the rest of the team in the second half but I think this was down to the manager realising his fuck up in the first half rather than Kolorovs desire to grab the game by the scruff of the neck.
Just because most of his mistakes go unpunished doesn't mean to say that he does not make loads.
If Kolorov was a horse, he would have been put down by now.
schfc6 said:nevilletogoater-in said:cccc said:Good post and you're right so many people fail to see the bigger picture.
They see Kolarov get beaten once (maybe twice) and it's 'HE WAS DESTROYED THE WHOLE GAME'. Last night he wasn't great in the first half (as I said) but in the second he didn't do anything wrong really defensively and contributed the majority of the attacking play.
Never seen such outrageous reactions about a player ever.
There's so much shite to filter through in those posts that frankly I can't be arsed responding to all of it so I'll answer some of the main points.
Maybe he's not the worst left back we've ever had, that was a tad OTT on my part so I apologise but it doesn't distract away from the fact that he's still nowhere near the required standard.
Out of the 4 full backs that have been mentioned, I would have any of them in our squad over him anyday and it just so happens that 2 of the 4 you mentioned are regarded as possibly the best in the world when at their peak (Evra & Cole).
I go to every home game, league and cup so I've seen first hand just how many times he shoots with so much power and not much accuracy (he tried it last night in the dying minutes which fortunately took a slight deflection and we got a corner), or how many times his set pieces or corners don't get past the first defender and yet on the rare occasions it does find his intended target (usually some space in front of the goal and not an individual) he's wanked over.
I slag Mancini off when he makes tactical decisions that I don't agree with like last night. I agreed with taking Johnson off and putting De Jong on but then why wait 10 mins before bringing Dzeko on for Pizarro who had been dreadful all night. Also against Swansea, he waited until they scored in the 83rd minute before making a positive substitution by which time there's very little time left for any player to make any sort of impact on the game.
Kolorov was run ragged last night up until Sporting scored their second goal and then they sat back as they knew that the damage had been done. This in turn allowed him to push forward along with the rest of the team in the second half but I think this was down to the manager realising his fuck up in the first half rather than Kolorovs desire to grab the game by the scruff of the neck.
Just because most of his mistakes go unpunished doesn't mean to say that he does not make loads.
If Kolorov was a horse, he would have been put down by now.
If anything proves you know very little about football what I have highlighted does. Aguero replaced Barry in the first half, do you not consider this attacking?
You do seem clueless.
I do agree, we should have had Kolarov on for Clichy as we needed a goal.
cccc said:There's so much shite to filter through in those posts that frankly I can't be arsed responding to all of it so I'll answer some of the main points.
Maybe he's not the worst left back we've ever had, that was a tad OTT on my part so I apologise but it doesn't distract away from the fact that he's still nowhere near the required standard.
Out of the 4 full backs that have been mentioned, I would have any of them in our squad over him anyday and it just so happens that 2 of the 4 you mentioned are regarded as possibly the best in the world when at their peak (Evra & Cole).
I go to every home game, league and cup so I've seen first hand just how many times he shoots with so much power and not much accuracy (he tried it last night in the dying minutes which fortunately took a slight deflection and we got a corner), or how many times his set pieces or corners don't get past the first defender and yet on the rare occasions it does find his intended target (usually some space in front of the goal and not an individual) he's wanked over.
I slag Mancini off when he makes tactical decisions that I don't agree with like last night. I agreed with taking Johnson off and putting De Jong on but then why wait 10 mins before bringing Dzeko on for Pizarro who had been dreadful all night. Also against Swansea, he waited until they scored in the 83rd minute before making a positive substitution by which time there's very little time left for any player to make any sort of impact on the game.
Kolorov was run ragged last night up until Sporting scored their second goal and then they sat back as they knew that the damage had been done. This in turn allowed him to push forward along with the rest of the team in the second half but I think this was down to the manager realising his fuck up in the first half rather than Kolorovs desire to grab the game by the scruff of the neck.
Just because most of his mistakes go unpunished doesn't mean to say that he does not make loads.
If Kolorov was a horse, he would have been put down by now.
This seems a really pathetic attempt at undermining his effectiveness from crosses.
You can say that Kolarov isn't great defensively, because he isn't - but at the club he has the best delivery from dead ball or first time crosses. Not sure how that can be disputed.
No matter what the guy does he will be vilified, but I am surprised because for a guy who gives so much on the pitch he should have more fans on his side. he's not the only player at Man. City making mistakes either.
Yes he has a good delivery, but it took him SEVEN attempts to find a City player with a cross (none in the first half)cccc said:There's so much shite to filter through in those posts that frankly I can't be arsed responding to all of it so I'll answer some of the main points.
Maybe he's not the worst left back we've ever had, that was a tad OTT on my part so I apologise but it doesn't distract away from the fact that he's still nowhere near the required standard.
Out of the 4 full backs that have been mentioned, I would have any of them in our squad over him anyday and it just so happens that 2 of the 4 you mentioned are regarded as possibly the best in the world when at their peak (Evra & Cole).
I go to every home game, league and cup so I've seen first hand just how many times he shoots with so much power and not much accuracy (he tried it last night in the dying minutes which fortunately took a slight deflection and we got a corner), or how many times his set pieces or corners don't get past the first defender and yet on the rare occasions it does find his intended target (usually some space in front of the goal and not an individual) he's wanked over.
I slag Mancini off when he makes tactical decisions that I don't agree with like last night. I agreed with taking Johnson off and putting De Jong on but then why wait 10 mins before bringing Dzeko on for Pizarro who had been dreadful all night. Also against Swansea, he waited until they scored in the 83rd minute before making a positive substitution by which time there's very little time left for any player to make any sort of impact on the game.
Kolorov was run ragged last night up until Sporting scored their second goal and then they sat back as they knew that the damage had been done. This in turn allowed him to push forward along with the rest of the team in the second half but I think this was down to the manager realising his fuck up in the first half rather than Kolorovs desire to grab the game by the scruff of the neck.
Just because most of his mistakes go unpunished doesn't mean to say that he does not make loads.
If Kolorov was a horse, he would have been put down by now.
This seems a really pathetic attempt at undermining his effectiveness from crosses.
You can say that Kolarov isn't great defensively, because he isn't - but at the club he has the best delivery from dead ball or first time crosses. Not sure how that can be disputed.
No matter what the guy does he will be vilified, but I am surprised because for a guy who gives so much on the pitch he should have more fans on his side. he's not the only player at Man. City making mistakes either.
At long last, Reason rears it's calm head.pee dubya said:Just me that thinks we have unrealistic expectations of the modern full-back? Got to be strong, fast, high stamina and preferably tall but also agile. Got to be able to pass well, cross and dribble. Got to be responsible at tracking runners, marking, tackling and heading.
It must be the most demanding position on the pitch surely? Yet...it's not the one that attracts the most talented players, so realistically, what are the chances of filling the position with players that meet our expectations?
He's not the best crosser of a ball though, again how many times does he fail to get it past the first defender? Too many to count. As for the first time crosses, yeah he's good at them, when there's absolutely zero pressure on him from an opposing player. Fuck me
cccc said:He's not the best crosser of a ball though, again how many times does he fail to get it past the first defender? Too many to count. As for the first time crosses, yeah he's good at them, when there's absolutely zero pressure on him from an opposing player. Fuck me
He is easily the best crosser.
First time crosses are such because there is pressure from an opposing player. He would have less pressure and more time to deliver from a dead ball so that comment doesn't make sense to me.
Kolarov DOES hit first time crosses when there is no one near him and it perplexes mecccc said:He's not the best crosser of a ball though, again how many times does he fail to get it past the first defender? Too many to count. As for the first time crosses, yeah he's good at them, when there's absolutely zero pressure on him from an opposing player. Fuck me
He is easily the best crosser.
First time crosses are such because there is pressure from an opposing player. He would have less pressure and more time to deliver from a dead ball so that comment doesn't make sense to me.
nevilletogoater-in said:cccc said:He's not the best crosser of a ball though, again how many times does he fail to get it past the first defender? Too many to count. As for the first time crosses, yeah he's good at them, when there's absolutely zero pressure on him from an opposing player. Fuck me
He is easily the best crosser.
First time crosses are such because there is pressure from an opposing player. He would have less pressure and more time to deliver from a dead ball so that comment doesn't make sense to me.
I meant that last night there wasn't defender within 10 yards of him when he put in 3 decent first time crosses. As a professional that shouldn't be too difficult I don't think.
For dead ball situations this where I think he struggles the most as his crosses are either too close to the keeper or very rarely get past the first defender.
cccc said:You can't argue with the quality of his crosses, who else at the club crosses?