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[Dubai Blue]

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Vincent Kompany will serve a ban for his red card at the Emirates, Sportsmail has learned.

It is understood that referee Mike Dean will not be asked to review the decision by the FA. Sources at the FA believe Dean’s decision to be ‘justified’.

Manchester City are going through the process of an appeal, but Dean’s decision does not qualify as a ‘clear and obvious error’ from the referee.

There will not be a ‘frivolous’ punishment penalty of additional game for Kompany, however. In order for that to be the case an appeal needs to have ‘no obvious case of success.’

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I was under the impression that it is out of the hands of the ref now and that the appeal is listened to by a seperate team - maybe I am totally wrong though

The first step is that the FA can ask the referee to review his decision because they think he made an obvious mistake. This is where red cards can be overturned without an appeal even being necessary (i.e., the ref admits he got it wrong). That looks like it's not going to happen now, so we go to an appeal.

 

[Ajay]

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I was under the impression that it is out of the hands of the ref now and that the appeal is listened to by a seperate team - maybe I am totally wrong though

No generally they ask the ref if after seeing it again he would of made a different decision, I think

There was a retired referee on Abu Dhabi Sports last night on the panel (cant remember his name) , he clearly said the ref is not asked now - but hey its the FA they make it up as they go along :(

 

[SWP's back]

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There's no reason not to appeal. The decision will be made before the Fulham game so, even if we lose the appeal, Kompany still misses exactly the same games. He'll be back for the scousers anyway.

Surely he would get an extra game ban (to make it 4) if it is not overturned? hence he would miss the Liverpool game?

No. Some people are hugely overplaying the possibility of his ban being extended. I don't have the exact figures but you can count on one hand the number of appeals that have been deemed as frivolous in the past.

It generally only applies to teams appealing a blatant red card simply to delay the inevitable ban so the player can play in an important game (the rags have form for doing this).

In this case the appeal decision will be before the next game so City aren't trying to manipulate the situation, and the debate that has already taken place in the media since last night proves that this was far from being a nailed-on red. Both of these mean there is no chance whatsoever of an appeal being deemed frivolous and VK having his ban extended. So City have to appeal this as we have a very strong case with no risk. In fact, I actually believe Dean himself will admit that he got this one wrong.

Absolutely this mate. Very well said.<br /><br />-- Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:55 am --<br /><br />

Not certain about this, but don't the rules say something about successful appeals relating to clearly incorrect decisions? If this is the case, an appeal would likely fail, because although a red is harsh or even wrong, I am not sure it's clearly wrong. It's debatable and in the speed of the moment and from the angle Mike Dean had, I am not sure the panel would feel he clearly got it wrong.

You're basically right. If the panel deemed it was only worthy of a yellow card, the red card would stand. Warped logic, I know, but there you go.

However, I (and plenty of neutrals) don't even think it was a free kick, so there's definitely room for an appeal. They will usually back the referee though, so ideally we need Dean to watch the replay and admit he got it wrong.

He's not going to do that though is he
Especially if he knows he has the backing of souness and young twitcher right after the match

But not Hansen and the big Dane.

 

[moomba]

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The thing that annoys me is that even if you concede that it us a red card by the letter of the law (which I don't) how many others are allowed to get away with it the same sorts of tackles week in week out.

 

[homerdog]

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It's a simple case on the face of it - most think it was the wrong decision, so logic dictates that the FA will overturn it.

The problem with this is that I've got no faith that the FA will make a logical decision!

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

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The thing that annoys me is that even if you concede that it us a red card by the letter of the law (which I don't) how many others are allowed to get away with it the same sorts of tackles week in week out.

When United players do it the opposition get sent off ! Remember Evans on Shelvey. Van Persie has got away with a couple this season.

 

[Greyco]

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It's ludicrous there's even people discussing it. That's never a red card. Even commentators of the 'softer' continental leagues claimed it was a perfect legit tackle. Incredible the amount of muppets on social media that seem to think otherwise.

 

[Ajay]

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It's ludicrous there's even people discussing it. That's never a red card. Even commentators of the 'softer' continental leagues claimed it was a perfect legit tackle. Incredible the amount of muppets on social media that seem to think otherwise.

Sadly I feel its not going to go our way

 

[bbrother1968]

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Was at the game yesterday and have to say I do think it was daft of Vinny to dive in like that bearing in mind score 0-2, and Arse already down to 10 ref looking to even it up baying crowd etc etc, WHY DO IT!. Love Vinny but was silly to give the ref the
decision to make.

I also winced when he made the challenge on 1/2 way at Norwich, neither red cards I agree but non the less a challenge he needs to avoid under the present climate particularly with the media whitchhunt against us!

 

[bluemc1]

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its a joke red card, as they said 11 v 11 he gets away with it but after knob crowd screaming for every tackle he was always going to even it up, whats pissing me off is they keep showing the tackle from the front and back where it looks like both his feet are together, not the side view where you can clearly see one foot behind. also woman on sky this morning said Kompany sent off for a 2 footed tackle, IT WAS ONE FOOTED

-- Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:25 am --

its a joke red card, as they said 11 v 11 he gets away with it but after knob crowd screaming for every tackle he was always going to even it up, whats pissing me off is they keep showing the tackle from the front and back where it looks like both his feet are together, not the side view where you can clearly see one foot behind. also woman on sky this morning said Kompany sent off for a 2 footed tackle, IT WAS ONE FOOTED<br /><br />-- Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:25 am --<br /><br />its a joke red card, as they said 11 v 11 he gets away with it but after knob crowd screaming for every tackle he was always going to even it up, whats pissing me off is they keep showing the tackle from the front and back where it looks like both his feet are together, not the side view where you can clearly see one foot behind. also woman on sky this morning said Kompany sent off for a 2 footed tackle, IT WAS ONE FOOTED

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

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its a joke red card, as they said 11 v 11 he gets away with it but after knob crowd screaming for every tackle he was always going to even it up, whats pissing me off is they keep showing the tackle from the front and back where it looks like both his feet are together, not the side view where you can clearly see one foot behind. also woman on sky this morning said Kompany sent off for a 2 footed tackle, IT WAS ONE FOOTED

Yes but he was sent off for a 2 footed tackle, the official reason of the ref

 

[Greyco]

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It's ludicrous there's even people discussing it. That's never a red card. Even commentators of the 'softer' continental leagues claimed it was a perfect legit tackle. Incredible the amount of muppets on social media that seem to think otherwise.

Sadly I feel its not going to go our way

Incredible really, been following it a bit from Belgium on the social media. It's mostly united fans disagreeing and some wayward Arsenal fans with the occassional clueless muppets.
Just heard Poll on talksport and that Irani was feeding him quotes, going on about lunging and 2 footed when people with normal vision clearly see that wasn't the case. Is a really that clueless or forcing some kind of agenda?

 

[bluemc1]

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its a joke red card, as they said 11 v 11 he gets away with it but after knob crowd screaming for every tackle he was always going to even it up, whats pissing me off is they keep showing the tackle from the front and back where it looks like both his feet are together, not the side view where you can clearly see one foot behind. also woman on sky this morning said Kompany sent off for a 2 footed tackle, IT WAS ONE FOOTED

Yes but he was sent off for a 2 footed tackle, the official reason of the ref

well in that case it should be very straight forward to get over turned as video clearly shows it was 1 footed

-- Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:37 am --

its a joke red card, as they said 11 v 11 he gets away with it but after knob crowd screaming for every tackle he was always going to even it up, whats pissing me off is they keep showing the tackle from the front and back where it looks like both his feet are together, not the side view where you can clearly see one foot behind. also woman on sky this morning said Kompany sent off for a 2 footed tackle, IT WAS ONE FOOTED

Yes but he was sent off for a 2 footed tackle, the official reason of the ref

well in that case it should be very straight forward to get over turned as video clearly shows it was 1 footed<br /><br />-- Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:37 am --<br /><br />

its a joke red card, as they said 11 v 11 he gets away with it but after knob crowd screaming for every tackle he was always going to even it up, whats pissing me off is they keep showing the tackle from the front and back where it looks like both his feet are together, not the side view where you can clearly see one foot behind. also woman on sky this morning said Kompany sent off for a 2 footed tackle, IT WAS ONE FOOTED

Yes but he was sent off for a 2 footed tackle, the official reason of the ref

well in that case it should be very straight forward to get over turned as video clearly shows it was 1 footed

 

[Greyco]

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Look, if Kompany would've just stood there he'd been in risk of a serious injury. Wilshere was slipping and would have gone down full throttle against Kompany's feet.
You'd have something similar as the Terry injury against Suarez in the vid below. It's not a lunge, he doesn't take a run and jumps in, he basicly just sits down and sticks a leg out. Now, in what other way is it possible to make a challenge besides doing that? Does my head in they're even discussing it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8r4dGT66Lg[/youtube]

 

[SWP's back]

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its a joke red card, as they said 11 v 11 he gets away with it but after knob crowd screaming for every tackle he was always going to even it up, whats pissing me off is they keep showing the tackle from the front and back where it looks like both his feet are together, not the side view where you can clearly see one foot behind. also woman on sky this morning said Kompany sent off for a 2 footed tackle, IT WAS ONE FOOTED

Yes but he was sent off for a 2 footed tackle, the official reason of the ref

There is no such offence or definition mate

 

[Plain Speaking]

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Credit to Schmeichel and Hanson on MOTD2 for clearly stating it was a "hard but fair challenge" but I thought the BBC editorial camera crew on MOTD2 showed the incident 3 times from the same "most incriminating" camera angle.
They did not view the incident from other angles which made it clear VK took the ball cleanly with one foot and in control. I dont know who is responsible for MOTD2 video editing but this seemed on obvious and unfair ommision. Most of the general public will form their view of the incident from the BBC's free to air broadcasting and such lack of independence is disappointing for this major decision.

 

[the god Gerry Gow]

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Credit to Schmeichel and Hanson on MOTD2 for clearly stating it was a "hard but fair challenge" but I thought the BBC editorial camera crew on MOTD2 showed the incident 3 times from the same "most incriminating" camera angle.
They did not view the incident from other angles which made it clear VK took the ball cleanly with one foot and in control. I dont know who is responsible for MOTD2 video editing but this seemed on obvious and unfair ommision. Most of the general public will form their view of the incident from the BBC's free to air broadcasting and such lack of independence is disappointing for this major decision.

Yeah totally agree mate. Said to the missus that the angle they kept showing looked bad but that Hansen and Schmeichal were adamant it was not a foul. Then after the prick presenter had been shot down they showed it once from side on which clearly shows it is a tremendous tackle.

Not a big fan of agendas but some dodgy editing going in there

 

[without a dream]

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The red was fair enough as from Dean's view it looked a bad challenge. From the side it clearly isn't though so it should be overturned. We'll see...

 

[JC2]

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Whilst i think it was a fair challenge and not even a foul, i think it needs to be viewed in the context of the modern game where only (and wrongly) minimal contact is tolerated.
He was always at risk of being sent off with Mike Dean under pressure to 'level things up' in fact i was surprised that it took so long to happen.

VK has put this challenge in a fair few times and has also seen a number of red cards. Perhaps it is our captain that needs to alter his tackling style to avoid future incidents! His cards are well and truly marked. It didn't matter greatly yesterday but rest assured the same result will occur should he do it again in another big match.

 

[another generation]

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Komps really has won Hansen over! <a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/9799392/Manchester-City-defender-Vincent-Kompanys-red-card-must-be-overturned-or-the-day-of-the-tackle-will-be-dead.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... -dead.html</a>