Let the bodies pile high.

[west didsblue]

Been true for 30 years. The changeover point doesnt move much with time either. People grow up and release whose money Labur uses when they promise the moon on a stick.

The stat that I found most interesting is that the higher the level of education, the less likely you are to vote Conservative.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Been true for 30 years. The changeover point doesnt move much with time either. People grow up and release whose money Labur uses when they promise the moon on a stick.

You are right but for the wrong reasons. Older people are more likely to vote for status quo politicians. Brexit only succeed because of the revivalist notions, not anything new. Old age pensioners stand more to lose from a change in the political economy than tax rises on a small income.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

The stat that I found most interesting is that the higher the level of education, the less likely you are to vote Conservative.

That's because the opportunity for education was much harder to achieve for older people. My dad left school at 14, my mum at 15. In both cases additional income was needed in the household. When my older brother went to uni in the seventies it was 1 in every 25 FE students that went on to uni, it's much higher now, over half I believe.

 

[west didsblue]

You are right but for the wrong reasons. Older people are more likely to vote for status quo politicians. Brexit only succeed because of the revivalist notions, not anything new. Old age pensioners stand more to lose from a change in the political economy than tax rises on a small income.

Maybe Francis Rossi should form a political party.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

You don't need hindsight. If you read the exposes in the Times, which have chronicled how and when decisions were made, there were numerous delays when the govt knew enough to act.

Every other party in Parliament was asking for action well before it was taken. The "it's been a very difficult time, and we did everything we could, knowing what we did at the time" is the line that the Tories have decided to avoid any discussion.

I don't disagree with that. It wasn't though a specific plan to let the virus run through the community on purpose (as was mentioned), I think it's more stupidity or inability, but this wasn't helped by the WHO taking an age to declare a worldwide pandemic and other bodies such as the EU saying don't close borders. They (EU) acted on the 16th March last year and this triggered businesses to act in the UK forcing the PM's hand, although Hancock had said something fuzzy on the 16th it was the 23rd that Boris made the announcement, although I recall us being ~14 days behind the European infection rate at that time (UK was at 3.5k cases on the 16th, 13k on the 23rd - this compared to Italy on 31.5k & 64k respectively). Italy had closed its borders on the 9th when at 9k cases.

 

[metalblue]

I don't disagree with that. It wasn't though a specific plan to let the virus run through the community on purpose (as was mentioned), I think it's more stupidity or inability, but this wasn't helped by the WHO taking an age to declare a worldwide pandemic and other bodies such as the EU saying don't close borders. They (EU) acted on the 16th March last year and this triggered businesses to act in the UK forcing the PM's hand, although Hancock had said something fuzzy on the 16th it was the 23rd that Boris made the announcement, although I recall us being ~14 days behind the European infection rate at that time (UK was at 3.5k cases on the 16th, 13k on the 23rd - this compared to Italy on 31.5k & 64k respectively). Italy had closed its borders on the 9th when at 9k cases.

It’s clear what the governments priorities were - to avoid the NHS being overwhelmed at any cost. Nightingales, freeing up bed capacity, shutting down the economy, and preparing for the worst.

It was absolutely not some dastardly plan to kill off their core voter group.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

In reply to your first paragragh, there were certainly lots of mistakes made early on but this was largely attributable to not having enough equipment and beds to cope with the first wave. The severity of the contagiousness and the effects of catching it were still being understood at that stage, it's easy to look back and wonder why we didn't just close our borders like other countries did but advice from the WHO and EU was not to (until mid March), but that would have been the best way to limit transmission in the early days. The discharge of elderly patients not being tested was down to the pressures on the NHS needing to find beds and removing what are known as 'bed-blockers' was their only way. Whether the government (or individuals in there) knew that they weren't being tested, but were told they were, is a matter for discussion. In the end, the hospitals are responsible for ensuring people aren't discharged with a contagious disease and I'm sure doctors would have ensured they weren't, knowing what they do now. I can only assume then that at that point they didn't know the full risks or were forced at gunpoint to do so (of which I'm sure we'd have heard). Again, this mistake was also repeated in other countries.

The issue about when to lock down and re-open afterwards, again, that's a tough one. There were/are pressures from sides to do opposing actions. Whatever Johnson says in a meeting is irrelevant - it's whatever policies are put in place. And in any case, trusting the word of a liar's liar (especially one tasked with strategy and planning) seems a touch risky. Remember this is a man who knows how to concoct a lie then believe it's true when it leaves his mouth. He knows that to be able to convince people of something you first have to convince yourself.

Cummings: Vote Leave slogan drove Remainers crazy because it was true

The former Downing Street aide also said it was ‘perfectly reasonable’ to argue that Brexit was a mistake.

www.standard.co.uk

I disagree with your with the premise that Johnson did his best to save lives and the excuses you give him. However, I do agree that both of them are cunts.

There we go, all done.

 

[Phil1]

Credit to the tories on here for still fighting the corner of the shit cunts in charge.
They must wake up each morning dreading to see the headlines informing them of the latest blunders and incompetence yet still bravely put across their arguments that everything is rosy and Boris has got this..
Delusion is a strange thing.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Credit to the tories on here for still fighting the corner of the shit cunts in charge.
They must wake up each morning dreading to see the headlines informing them of the latest blunders and incompetence yet still bravely put across their arguments that everything is rosy and Boris has got this..
Delusion is a strange thing.

The amount of stuff that keeps coming out but it makes no difference as loyalty to an individual seems sacrosanct. Reminds me a bit of the Trump factor in America, can do not wrong for some.

Personally I like to debate the issues but when it is so closed it’s not worth the effort.

 

[bluethrunthru]

the lies pile ever higher too