Libya (Merged)

[Ducado]

His weapons mostly come from the former soviet union he is a socialist we did sell him some tear gas but that was the extent of it

I would not worry too much he will be on the end of a rope soon enough

We were also very happy to invest his money for him

It's the way of the world, what you can't seem to understand is the concept of self interest, I beleive that it is in this countries self interest to be involved in Libya, to help the people (remember this was started by the people) overthrow a despotic dictator.

Hopefully when this is finished we will have 3 or 4 fully functioning democracies in the Magreb, one of those democracies will be an incredibly wealthy one (Libya) which will be good for the region, good for Europe and the UK, good for the world, we were asked to help and we have helped

Rather than having a negative effect in the region (for the west) this action is having a very good reception in all Arab countries,

 

[cyberblue]

We were also very happy to invest his money for him

It's the way of the world, what you can't seem to understand is the concept of self interest, I beleive that it is in this countries self interest to be involved in Libya, to help the people (remember this was started by the people) overthrow a despotic dictator.

Hopefully when this is finished we will have 3 or 4 fully functioning democracies in the Magreb, one of those democracies will be an incredibly wealthy one (Libya) which will be good for the region, good for Europe and the UK, good for the world, we were asked to help and we have helped

Rather than having a negative effect in the region (for the west) this action is having a very good reception in all Arab countries,

Who exactly asked us for help ?,we cant even help our own population there is over 1 million people demonstrating against this goverment now ,the West helped in Iraq & Afganistan ,& look at the problems there .

 

[ultimateharold]

#
1341: Libyan state TV has an original take on the march in London against government spending cuts. A screen caption reads: "Tens of thousands of British citizens out in mass protests now in front of the British House of Commons condemning the colonialist, crusader aggression against the Libyan Great Jamahiriyah."

 

[ElanJo]

With such moral superiority, let's hope that you're equally disgusted at this country for supporting despotic regimes.

It's easy to take the high ground when the despots that we've been supporting start to falter due to civilian uprisings, as Cameron's recent comments in the ME show, but it's less so when civilians are put under the boot daily with the help of 'our' governments.

I find it quite tasteless, as well as embarrassing, to see someone who doesn't understand, or refuses to acknowledge, elementary moral principles making such moralising comments. And this doesn't just go for you, it goes for many other making similar comments.

So what you're saying although you will deny it, is that having done something bad we shouldn't support the government when they decide to do something good. Did you stop to think that the world moves on and yesterdays policy isn't todays excuse.

Fucking hell, it seems every post I have made has been (intentionally) misunderstood, from Ducado to BMmatt and now you. I have not implied, and would never make the case, that past "mistakes"/bad policy should stop anyone from doing good in the present of future. Read again.

PS. Throughout the whole thread I have not said -or implied- that I do not support the removal of Gaddafi. My views are irrelevant to the posts I have made.

 

[Ducado]

It's the way of the world, what you can't seem to understand is the concept of self interest, I beleive that it is in this countries self interest to be involved in Libya, to help the people (remember this was started by the people) overthrow a despotic dictator.

Hopefully when this is finished we will have 3 or 4 fully functioning democracies in the Magreb, one of those democracies will be an incredibly wealthy one (Libya) which will be good for the region, good for Europe and the UK, good for the world, we were asked to help and we have helped

Rather than having a negative effect in the region (for the west) this action is having a very good reception in all Arab countries,

Who exactly asked us for help ?,we cant even help our own population there is over 1 million people demonstrating against this goverment now ,the West helped in Iraq & Afganistan ,& look at the problems there .

1 million? Really

I did not agree with Iraq at the time, but they now have a functioning representative democracy and things have calmed down a hell of a lot, as for Afghanistan are you saying it was better off under the Taliban? Your allowing your dogma to get in the way of reality.

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

Pretty disturbing stuff...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXGLYJtxUhA[/youtube]

 

[Ducado]

Pretty disturbing stuff...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXGLYJtxUhA[/youtube]

I mentioned this, this morning but the naysayers on this thread did not want to comment

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Who exactly asked us for help ?,we cant even help our own population there is over 1 million people demonstrating against this goverment now ,the West helped in Iraq & Afganistan ,& look at the problems there .

1 million? Really

I did not agree with Iraq at the time, but they now have a functioning representative democracy and things have calmed down a hell of a lot, as for Afghanistan are you saying it was better off under the Taliban? Your allowing your dogma to get in the way of reality.

Problem is that both sides are so entrenched on the merits (or otherwise) of Iraq that it's impossible to know whether things have improved, because I guess in the long run that is what the whole episode will ultimately be judged on, so to concede on this issue is to tacitly admit you were wrong.

 

[bluemoonmatt]

So what you're saying although you will deny it, is that having done something bad we shouldn't support the government when they decide to do something good. Did you stop to think that the world moves on and yesterdays policy isn't todays excuse.

Fucking hell, it seems every post I have made has been (intentionally) misunderstood, from Ducado to BMmatt and now you. I have not implied, and would never make the case, that past "mistakes"/bad policy should stop anyone from doing good in the present of future. Read again.

PS. Throughout the whole thread I have not said -or implied- that I do not support the removal of Gaddafi. My views are irrelevant to the posts I have made.

Care to enlighten us all to what your'e point is then or are you just gonna keep throwing out the insults.

 

[ElanJo]

Fucking hell, it seems every post I have made has been (intentionally) misunderstood, from Ducado to BMmatt and now you. I have not implied, and would never make the case, that past "mistakes"/bad policy should stop anyone from doing good in the present of future. Read again.

PS. Throughout the whole thread I have not said -or implied- that I do not support the removal of Gaddafi. My views are irrelevant to the posts I have made.

Care to enlighten us all to what your'e point is then or are you just gonna keep throwing out the insults.

I've repeated the point now three times. I'm not going to do it for a fourth. If you two haven't gotten it by now (which I don't believe for a second) I doubt a fourth time will help anyway.