I was in 109 and never heard 'Murderers' but 'Always the victims' was definitely sung, in reaction to Henderson trying to get Rodri sent off.
I had a Twitter spat over the last couple of days with a Liverpool fan, who was clearly intelligent and literate. My point was that the majority of people who sing it don't explicitly associate it with Hillsborough. That there are several examples where LFC and their fans have behaved as the victims. Heysel is the obvious one, the Suarez incident, the Ederson/Mane incident, etc.
Then there's this ridiculous booing of the National Anthem, which they justify by this notion that the whole Estsblishment is anti-Liverpool despite Everton fans not doing it. But even so, scousers, a demographic which doesn't include most Liverpool fans, whether football supporters or not, do have a certain psyche.
Then there's this ridiculous notion that they're a 'socialist club' because of something Shankly once said. (He also said that when you're second, you're nothing but they conveniently forget that.) This despite the fact that they were created out of thin air and a Tory's cheque book, because he wanted to make more money. They've been central in every initiative over the last 40 or so years to create a gulf between the haves and have-nots in football.
Their own rise to modern success was funded by gambling money made by another arch-capitalist. And their current owner made his money via the ultra-capitalist route of commodities trading, where he established an algorithm for buying and selling various commodities, but not to take possession of them, add value in some way and sell them at a profit. He wouldn't have a clue what to do if a shipload of wheat or whatever arrived at his door. He exploited small price movements in the market to make his billions.
This guy claimed that it was clear that ATV was "clearly 100% about Hillsborough" (to use his words). Yet I come on here (which he described as a 'cesspit' by the way) and see posters I know personally and hugely respect like
@blueyorkie and
@Chris in London, both mature, intelligent, professionals who can think through an argument (alright - some artistic licence there) say they don't for one moment think about Hillsborough when singing it. I've made my views perfectly clear to posters who still mindlessly regurgitate the Sun and SYP's appalling mendacity.
But that brings me to the point that I wasn't aware of until recently, which was that the Suarez/Evra incident occurred just days after the Hillsborough Independent Panel reported its findings. These, of course, fully and incisively supported the findings of the Taylor Report, which was that the behaviour of Liverpool fans played no meaningful part in the tragic events of that day.
In my view therefore, that confluence of the first use of the song and the HIP report publication gives enough reason to desist from singing it.
(The outcome of the Twitter spat by the way was that he demanded I "condemn" the song. I wasn't prepared to do that specifically, for the reason that it's a very grey area, but it's preferable not to sing it, as I've made clear above.)
