Liverpool bus damaged on journey back from Etihad Stadium today

[mancityvstoke]

And now he doesn’t whinge and moan anymore.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

But that would mean a level of agreement that the chant isn’t about Hillsborough. They already know it isn’t but claim it is.

I'm sure some chanting it do believe it's about Hillsborough sadly but I'm equally sure, as we've seen on here, that many don't.

In the Jewish religion, the laws and commandments as originally documented in the Five Books of the OT are generally quite high-level. As a result, there's a whole body of learned opinions on the practical requirements of observing those laws. One sentence in the Book of Exodus or Leviticus can easily generate dozens of volumes setting out the author's views on what constitutes strict observance of what seems to be the most arcane and trivial matters. And other authorities may have a different view.

As a result, the laws cover behaviours where try to eliminate situations where there's even the most infinitesimal chance of transgression, and even beyond that. So the prohibition on mixing milk and meat (from the sentence "Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother's milk" has been extended to chicken (but not fish, oddly). There is absolutely zero chance of that happening but the claim is there's a risk that someone might confuse a piece of chicken with a piece of meat. Let's be honest, who among us hasn't confused a chicken breast with a leg of lamb at some point? It's quite bizarre but there's also rules about how long you can leave it between consuming meat and milk.

On the same basis, if there's a chance that it could be linked to Hillsborough (and let's face it, there's still too many who do feel Liverpool fans were somehow to blame, even on this forum), then let's not sing it.

Will we get the same respect and tolerance from them? Highly unlikely but we'll have done the right thing and at least we'll have some moral high ground when we don't.

 

[Saddleworth2]

I'm sure some chanting it do believe it's about Hillsborough sadly but I'm equally sure, as we've seen on here, that many don't.

You can’t really know what is in folks mind but certainly I would have thought the majority of non Liverpool football fans don‘t link it to Hillsbourogh, rather the behaviour of Liverpool fans and to an extent club in more recent times. My point was I don’t believe most Liverpool fans think it’s linked to Hillsborough either but claim it is.

 

[Stephen230]

You can’t really know what is in folks mind but certainly I would have thought the majority of non Liverpool football fans don‘t link it to Hillsbourogh, rather the behaviour of Liverpool fans and to an extent club in more recent times. My point was I don’t believe most Liverpool fans think it’s linked to Hillsborough either but claim it is.

I’d suggest, that despite hundreds of pages of analysis on here and elsewhere about people’s specific reasons for singing it, that the vast majority who do sing it, don’t give it anywhere near as much thought.

It’s a song they’ve heard and repeated. End of analysis.

“The Sun was right, you’re murderers” is a good example of the same. It makes no sense whatsoever because The Sun claimed no such thing. But people have heard it and copy it regardless. I doubt, if pushed, that anybody actually believes that “All Yorkshiremen shag sheep” either. But they sing it anyway. They’re football chants not a CIA polygraph test.

I think there’s a lot less thought goes into the singing than some people seem to think.

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

I see you’ve met as many of the red gobshites as I have, they’ll be loving all this.

I have one living directly across the road from me, when they won the league he took great pleasure in leaving the light on in his little man cave, which is adorned with all sorts of Lfc tat, needless to say he’s been living in darkness ever since

 

[meeesh]

I have one living directly across the road from me, when they won the league he took great pleasure in leaving the light on in his little man cave, which is adorned with all sorts of Lfc tat, needless to say he’s been living in darkness ever since

Now that does sound like a good case of bricking his windows,just to be on the safe side

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

Now that does sound like a good case of bricking his windows,just to be on the safe side

Ermmm probably not the best idea, he has a very extensive cctv system and is a former high ranking police officer, I’ll stick to hanging my City flag from the tree

 

[Dodge]

So I hit him with brick…..

Think I might have seen that...made me feel sick.

..was his face all tattered and torn?

 

[Axel Freed]

I'm sure some chanting it do believe it's about Hillsborough sadly but I'm equally sure, as we've seen on here, that many don't.

In the Jewish religion, the laws and commandments as originally documented in the Five Books of the OT are generally quite high-level. As a result, there's a whole body of learned opinions on the practical requirements of observing those laws. One sentence in the Book of Exodus or Leviticus can easily generate dozens of volumes setting out the author's views on what constitutes strict observance of what seems to be the most arcane and trivial matters. And other authorities may have a different view.

As a result, the laws cover behaviours where try to eliminate situations where there's even the most infinitesimal chance of transgression, and even beyond that. So the prohibition on mixing milk and meat (from the sentence "Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother's milk" has been extended to chicken (but not fish, oddly). There is absolutely zero chance of that happening but the claim is there's a risk that someone might confuse a piece of chicken with a piece of meat. Let's be honest, who among us hasn't confused a chicken breast with a leg of lamb at some point? It's quite bizarre but there's also rules about how long you can leave it between consuming meat and milk.

On the same basis, if there's a chance that it could be linked to Hillsborough (and let's face it, there's still too many who do feel Liverpool fans were somehow to blame, even on this forum), then let's not sing it.

Will we get the same respect and tolerance from them? Highly unlikely but we'll have done the right thing and at least we'll have some moral high ground when we don't.

Feral rats have no concept of a moral high ground.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I’d suggest, that despite hundreds of pages of analysis on here and elsewhere about people’s specific reasons for singing it, that the vast majority who do sing it, don’t give it anywhere near as much thought.

It’s a song they’ve heard and repeated. End of analysis.

“The Sun was right, you’re murderers” is a good example of the same. It makes no sense whatsoever because The Sun claimed no such thing. But people have heard it and copy it regardless. I doubt, if pushed, that anybody actually believes that “All Yorkshiremen shag sheep” either. But they sing it anyway. They’re football chants not a CIA polygraph test.

I think there’s a lot less thought goes into the singing than some people seem to think.

Or to put it more bluntly. It's just a fucking football chant.

But once you open the doors to the CPS deciding which football chants are hate crimes, you are buggered. And the whingers will win. Again and again.