Liverpool in Pot 2 in next season's CL, Where do we go?

[Prestwich_Blue]

They might just scrape Pot 1 in 2015/16 if they qualify but it will be close.

They've no chance, PB. The top 7 this year are Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Chelsea, Benfica, Athletico, Arsenal and should be joined by Schalke, Dortmund and PSG due to them getting rid of a 3.0 year. Porto should also finish above them too. That's 11 above them so that allows for one or two shocks.
We'd need to win it to have a chance of overtaking them but we should be firmly ensconced in Pot 2 with the rags, should they qualify for the year after.
Happy Days.

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/trank2015.html

--------------------------------------------------------10/11----------11/12-----------12/13-----------13/14------------Total
6. Manchester United--------------------36.6714 -------16.0500--------21.2856--------26.3570--------100.364
17. Manchester City------------------------16.6714--------20.0500--------10.2856--------22.3570---------69.364

United will lose 36.6714 points from 2010/11, and will get around 3.5 points next season.
that would leave them with around 68 points.

We will lose 16.6714 points from 10/11 so we'd just need to match that season to overtake the rags, this season we managed 22.357 points.

(Please correct me if I'm wrong)

That's a year ahead. They'll lose 28.5856 points from 09/10 next season and only get the national coefficient. That should drop them down to Pot 2. The season after, if they're back in it, they'll lose those 36.6714 points. Then if they go through the group in second place and get tonked in the last 16, they'll probably lose another 15 points. Even better would be them finishing last in the group. That could lose them another 25 points.

 

[kun]

They've no chance, PB. The top 7 this year are Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Chelsea, Benfica, Athletico, Arsenal and should be joined by Schalke, Dortmund and PSG due to them getting rid of a 3.0 year. Porto should also finish above them too. That's 11 above them so that allows for one or two shocks.
We'd need to win it to have a chance of overtaking them but we should be firmly ensconced in Pot 2 with the rags, should they qualify for the year after.
Happy Days.

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/trank2015.html

--------------------------------------------------------10/11----------11/12-----------12/13-----------13/14------------Total
6. Manchester United--------------------36.6714 -------16.0500--------21.2856--------26.3570--------100.364
17. Manchester City------------------------16.6714--------20.0500--------10.2856--------22.3570---------69.364

United will lose 36.6714 points from 2010/11, and will get around 3.5 points next season.
that would leave them with around 68 points.

We will lose 16.6714 points from 10/11 so we'd just need to match that season to overtake the rags, this season we managed 22.357 points.

(Please correct me if I'm wrong)

That's a year ahead. They'll lose 28.5856 points from 09/10 next season and only get the national coefficient. That should drop them down to Pot 2. The season after, if they're back in it, they'll lose those 36.6714 points. Then if they go through the group in second place and get tonked in the last 16, they'll probably lose another 15 points. Even better would be them finishing last in the group. That could lose them another 25 points.

It's 4 coefficients right?
so in 2015/16 (If they're back in it) they'll have the coefficient points for 2011/12 12/13 13/14 and 14/15. 14/15 will we the national coefficient of around 4 points right, so they'll have 16 + 21 + 26 + 4, which is around 67. We'll have 20 + 10 + 22 + Whatever we get this season. 52 + ? so if we get more than 15/16 points this (next) season, we'd overtake them, no?

 

[CheethamHillBlue]

if we get more than 15/16 points this (next) season, we'd overtake them, no?

No mate, we won't. My apologies, i was looking at the following year and i posted that link. This is the correct link showing 5 YEARS coefficients.

<a class="postlink" href="http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/trank2014.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uef ... k2014.html</a>

 

[DiscoSteve]

We're defo in Pot 2 and Gerrard's Chokers are in Pot 3

Pot 1                          coef.              Pot 2                          coef.
------------------------ --- ----------------     ------------------------ --- ----------------
Real Madrid              Esp>159.542              Schalke 04               Ger  95.328
FC Barcelona             Esp 157.542              Borussia Dortmund        Ger  82.328
Bayern München           Ger 154.328              Juventus                 Ita  80.387
Chelsea                  Eng 140.949              Paris Saint-Germain      Fra  80.300
Benfica                  Por 129.459              Shakhtar Donetsk         Ukr  78.193
Atlético Madrid          Esp>119.542              FC Basel                 Sui  75.645
Arsenal *4               Eng 112.949              Zenit St. Petersburg *3  Rus  73.899
FC Porto *4              Por 105.459              Manchester City          Eng  72.949

Pot 3                          coef.              Pot 4                          coef.
------------------------ --- ----------------     ------------------------ --- ----------------
Bayer Leverkusen *4      Ger  70.328              Anderlecht               Bel  50.260
Olympiakos Piraeus       Gre  67.720              FC Salzburg *3           Aut  46.185
CSKA Moscow              Rus  66.899              AS Roma                  Ita  39.887
Ajax                     Ned  61.862              Steaua Bucuresti **      Rom  39.451
Napoli *4                Ita  61.387              Celtic **                Sco  36.813
Liverpool                Eng  58.949              BATE Borisov **          Bls  33.725
Sporting CP Lisbon       Por  58.459              CH-QR4 *4                     28.870 - 37.650
Galatasaray              Tur  55.340              AS Monaco                Fra  11.300

 

[Neville Kneville]

We're defo in Pot 2 and Gerrard's Chokers are in Pot 3

Pot 1                          coef.              Pot 2                          coef.
------------------------ --- ----------------     ------------------------ --- ----------------
Real Madrid              Esp>159.542              Schalke 04               Ger  95.328
FC Barcelona             Esp 157.542              Borussia Dortmund        Ger  82.328
Bayern München           Ger 154.328              Juventus                 Ita  80.387
Chelsea                  Eng 140.949              Paris Saint-Germain      Fra  80.300
Benfica                  Por 129.459              Shakhtar Donetsk         Ukr  78.193
Atlético Madrid          Esp>119.542              FC Basel                 Sui  75.645
Arsenal *4               Eng 112.949              Zenit St. Petersburg *3  Rus  73.899
FC Porto *4              Por 105.459              Manchester City          Eng  72.949

Pot 3                          coef.              Pot 4                          coef.
------------------------ --- ----------------     ------------------------ --- ----------------
Bayer Leverkusen *4      Ger  70.328              Anderlecht               Bel  50.260
Olympiakos Piraeus       Gre  67.720              FC Salzburg *3           Aut  46.185
CSKA Moscow              Rus  66.899              AS Roma                  Ita  39.887
Ajax                     Ned  61.862              Steaua Bucuresti **      Rom  39.451
Napoli *4                Ita  61.387              Celtic **                Sco  36.813
Liverpool                Eng  58.949              BATE Borisov **          Bls  33.725
Sporting CP Lisbon       Por  58.459              CH-QR4 *4                     28.870 - 37.650
Galatasaray              Tur  55.340              AS Monaco                Fra  11.300

Pot 2

Borussia Dortmund, Champions 2010–11, 2011–12
Juventus, Champions 2011–12, 2012–13, 2013–14
Paris St Germain ,Champions 2012–13, 2013–14
Shakhtar Donetsk, Champions 2010–11, 2011–12, 2012–13, 2013–14
FC Basel , Champions 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 , 2014
Zenit St. Petersburg Champions 2010, 2011–12
Manchester City Champions 2011–12, 2013–14

Pot 1

Real Madrid ,Champions 2007–08, 2011–12
FC Barcelona, Champions 2009–10, 2010–11, 2012–13
Bayern München, Champions 2009–10, 2012–13, 2013–14
Chelsea, Champions 2009–10
Benfica, Champions 2009–10, 2013–14
Atlético Madrid, Champions 2013–14
FC Porto, Champions 2010–11, 2011–12, 2012–13

ARSENAL CHAMPIONS 2003–04.
2ND 2004–05
3RD 2007–08, 2009–10, 2011–12
4TH 2005–06, 2006–07, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2012–13, 2013–14

What an absolute carve up. No wonder Wenger has been badgering Platini to shit on us.

 

[dctid]

its utterely fucking galling that Arsenal are in pot 1 its why the CL stinks

 

[Matty]

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/trank2015.html

--------------------------------------------------------10/11----------11/12-----------12/13-----------13/14------------Total
6. Manchester United--------------------36.6714 -------16.0500--------21.2856--------26.3570--------100.364
17. Manchester City------------------------16.6714--------20.0500--------10.2856--------22.3570---------69.364

United will lose 36.6714 points from 2010/11, and will get around 3.5 points next season.
that would leave them with around 68 points.

We will lose 16.6714 points from 10/11 so we'd just need to match that season to overtake the rags, this season we managed 22.357 points.

(Please correct me if I'm wrong)

That's a year ahead. They'll lose 28.5856 points from 09/10 next season and only get the national coefficient. That should drop them down to Pot 2. The season after, if they're back in it, they'll lose those 36.6714 points. Then if they go through the group in second place and get tonked in the last 16, they'll probably lose another 15 points. Even better would be them finishing last in the group. That could lose them another 25 points.

It's 4 coefficients right?
so in 2015/16 (If they're back in it) they'll have the coefficient points for 2011/12 12/13 13/14 and 14/15. 14/15 will we the national coefficient of around 4 points right, so they'll have 16 + 21 + 26 + 4, which is around 67. We'll have 20 + 10 + 22 + Whatever we get this season. 52 + ? so if we get more than 15/16 points this (next) season, we'd overtake them, no?

Nope, coefficient points are counted over 5 years not 4.

 

[Blue Beard]

its utterely fucking galling that Arsenal are in pot 1 its why the CL stinks

agreed
but in pot 2 we stand a better chance of a good draw, all progress

 

[Blue Beard]

We're defo in Pot 2 and Gerrard's Chokers are in Pot 3

Pot 1                          coef.              Pot 2                          coef.
------------------------ --- ----------------     ------------------------ --- ----------------
Real Madrid              Esp>159.542              Schalke 04               Ger  95.328
FC Barcelona             Esp 157.542              Borussia Dortmund        Ger  82.328
Bayern München           Ger 154.328              Juventus                 Ita  80.387
Chelsea                  Eng 140.949              Paris Saint-Germain      Fra  80.300
Benfica                  Por 129.459              Shakhtar Donetsk         Ukr  78.193
Atlético Madrid          Esp>119.542              FC Basel                 Sui  75.645
Arsenal *4               Eng 112.949              Zenit St. Petersburg *3  Rus  73.899
FC Porto *4              Por 105.459              Manchester City          Eng  72.949

Pot 3                          coef.              Pot 4                          coef.
------------------------ --- ----------------     ------------------------ --- ----------------
Bayer Leverkusen *4      Ger  70.328              Anderlecht               Bel  50.260
Olympiakos Piraeus       Gre  67.720              FC Salzburg *3           Aut  46.185
CSKA Moscow              Rus  66.899              AS Roma                  Ita  39.887
Ajax                     Ned  61.862              Steaua Bucuresti **      Rom  39.451
Napoli *4                Ita  61.387              Celtic **                Sco  36.813
Liverpool                Eng  58.949              BATE Borisov **          Bls  33.725
Sporting CP Lisbon       Por  58.459              CH-QR4 *4                     28.870 - 37.650
Galatasaray              Tur  55.340              AS Monaco                Fra  11.300

so there are only 2 teams in pot 1 that are champs this season, 4 in pot 2 .... we've done well to break through to pot 2
our enemies must be worried now

 

[Oystercatcher28]

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The beauty of a cup draw, is it can be fair, surprising and can allow for some interesting ties. UEFA get on it.