Liverpool Takeover (Merged)

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What do Red Sox fans think of the proposed Liverpool deal? Sky News quotes one Red Sox fan on a fans forum:

I would be totally outraged if we were to be connected in anyway to Liverpool football club. I urge any Sox fans to look at the anti-American hatred that this club has been spurting out over the past few years. Liverpool are a club with many, many problems - if we bail them out those problems will simply spread over to 
us.

In fairness this Henry sounds very much like a Randy Lerner just with much less money. A decent bloke who loves sport but also has an eye for a decent investment.

But as the current Liverpool Owners have found out Premier League football is very different from any American sports. You cant just buy 1 star player and revitalise a team as Lerner Gillett and Hicks have found out you can spent alot of money in the premier league and get no where win nothing.
 
Re: Liverpool Takeover Imminent?

VOOMER said:
he simply hasn't got the money, or the desire to do anything other than sell it at a profit, probably within 6 months. Good business for Henry as he will probably make £150 million, maybe £200 million in 6 months and fuck of back to the USA and maybe the Red Sox will now get the new stadium.

I cant see him selling at a profit in the foreseeable future, they have about two or three players that are up to the standard of the top 4 (Gerrard, Reina and possibly Torres IF he gets his form back), and the rest are relegation contenders or worse, and IF they do go down, it will be a long way back without serious funds to replace the duds that the waiter bought on top wages.
 
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inGavious said:
ok ... i'm confused.

The Liverpool board have agreed to the sale, but Hickes and the Gillette (the owners) are blocking it.

so who's in charge, the owners or the board?

Hicks and Gillette took out a loan to buy Liverpool FC they didnt buy the club out of there own money.....
Hicks and Gillette have 9 more days to pay the debt to the RBS which is £237m, Broughton and Purslow were sent into Liverpool FC as Chairman and Chief Executive by RBS to find a new owner to remove Hicks and Gillette from the Football Club. So the American Owners have no say in whats going to happen to the Football Club unless they find themselves another shareholder to bring into the Club that can clear the debt in the next 9 days, So more or less Hicks and Gillette are clutching at straws because the Boston Red Socks deal will go through.
 
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What I can't understand is if the acquisition debt is removed by virtue of it being a cash deal then where is the cash coming from? Also, you don't get something for nothing so I'm assuming there must be some strings attached somewhere to the £300m cash as Henry can hardly afford to just write it off! I can't get answers to this question which makes me wonder......
 
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The guy with the Rounders francise that's struggling through lack of finance in the USA has a personal fortune of $375 million & will bring no debt to liverpool.
£400 million new ground.
£350 million the takeover.
£100 million on new players.
£50 million legal fees.
We have some very bright people on here concerning money,please explain how this works without using debt to buy liverpool.
 
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What happens if the Hicks and Gillette bring a court case to stop the takeover? I know if it is like any other court case then it will take time to sort the takeover out. So Liverpool could well end up going into administration first before they get taken over. I wonder how this will go down with the FA one of there great teams over the years on the verge of a points deduction. Will they let them away with a points deduction while the court case is going on if it happens or will it be points docked and Liverpool in a relegation battle to stay in the league.
 
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leighton said:
What happens if the Hicks and Gillette bring a court case to stop the takeover? I know if it is like any other court case then it will take time to sort the takeover out. So Liverpool could well end up going into administration first before they get taken over. I wonder how this will go down with the FA one of there great teams over the years on the verge of a points deduction. Will they let them away with a points deduction while the court case is going on if it happens or will it be points docked and Liverpool in a relegation battle to stay in the league.
That's what i thought,everyone thinks the yanks will roll over & the deal will be done in a week,a few more twists & turns methinks.
 
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bluemanc said:
leighton said:
What happens if the Hicks and Gillette bring a court case to stop the takeover? I know if it is like any other court case then it will take time to sort the takeover out. So Liverpool could well end up going into administration first before they get taken over. I wonder how this will go down with the FA one of there great teams over the years on the verge of a points deduction. Will they let them away with a points deduction while the court case is going on if it happens or will it be points docked and Liverpool in a relegation battle to stay in the league.
That's what i thought,everyone thinks the yanks will roll over & the deal will be done in a week,a few more twists & turns methinks.

Business/financial guy on 5Live (Robert Peston?) has said that, although the board has approved the sale, Hicks and Gillette will resist it - what that means in practical terms I don't know.
 
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SWPISHOME said:
Hicks and Gillette took out a loan to buy Liverpool FC they didnt buy the club out of there own money.....
Hicks and Gillette have 9 more days to pay the debt to the RBS which is £237m, Broughton and Purslow were sent into Liverpool FC as Chairman and Chief Executive by RBS to find a new owner to remove Hicks and Gillette from the Football Club. So the American Owners have no say in whats going to happen to the Football Club unless they find themselves another shareholder to bring into the Club that can clear the debt in the next 9 days, So more or less Hicks and Gillette are clutching at straws because the Boston Red Socks deal will go through.
I don't think you quite understand the relationship betwene shareholders and directors and also the specific agreements reached between RBS, H&G and the other directors.

As far as I'm aware Hicks & Gillett own all or nearly all the shares in LFC and it doesn't particularly matter how they financed the purchase it that sense. So they are the owners at the moment. They are also directors. The other three directors (Broughton, Purslow & Ayres) are not shareholders.

Directors have a primary duty of care to their shareholders in the running and sale of a company and have to exercise their power in the supposed best interests of those shareholders. Where there's a conflict of interest (as there is here) involving an individual who is both a director and major shareholder (i.e. Hicks & Gillett) then those individuals should step aside from any decision making.

Therefore in one sense, the three remaining members of the board are quite able to make a decision to sell the club without H&G and I suspect the court will find in their favour quite easily. There were also supposed to be agreements in place to cover this situation and Broughton is claiming that H&G have breached these.

However there's then the issue of whether the board acted in the best interests of their shareholders by selling at too cheap a price so a court will have to decide whether the price they accepted was fair and reasonable in the circumstances. H&G will presumably claim not and Broughton will claim it was. The likelihood (in my eyes) is that H&G will lose again. See m'learned friend Projectriver's posts for why.

However, this could all be short-circuited by RBS's actions. The loan is due for repayment by 15 Oct and if H&G are in default they incur a penalty and RBS, as a creditor, can call in the administrators to Kop Holdings (not LFC). They (the adminstrators) will then be able to sell it. It might also be that RBS can take over the shares in the event of a specified default, as could happen to the Glazers with their PIK notes.
 

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