Liverpool Thread 2012/13

[mat]

''So Brendan; about those envelopes....''

Daft twat put his name in one i reckon.

 

[TonyM]

Was watching Nicol on ESPN earlier bemoaning that Liverpool were signing young low cost strikers, like Aspas and not big names and that it is made worse by Suarez possibly going.

But surely if they are to get in a top striker they would wait until after Suarez goes for 50m or whatever. They could find a decent striker (like Jackson Martinez) and still have money left over for elsewhere.

I think Liverpool are doing a decent job of progressing slowly given where they are these days. They can't attract the top top names. They are lie us under Eriksson. Almost there but not yet. They need to go through the Hughes phase and the Mancini phase etc. Its a long windy road...

 

[ifiwasarichfan]

I cant believe they have spent £8M on this Aspas kid when they could have got a dead cert ( for the level they are at) with a 6£M bid for Darren Bent.

 

[Bluearmy]

Sat here now, all those years later, I am more than happy to reciprocate those sentiments and to thank you with all my heart for making it all possible

Love the last line.... Please someone post the whole thing on Rawk....

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Sat here now, all those years later, I am more than happy to reciprocate those sentiments and to thank you with all my heart for making it all possible

Love the last line.... Please someone post the whole thing on Rawk....

In case of which I have just corrected my error of not having a full-stop on the end of that sentence :-)

Don't want to let the side down ;-)

 

[i've got that terry phelan]

Was watching Nicol on ESPN earlier bemoaning that Liverpool were signing young low cost strikers, like Aspas and not big names and that it is made worse by Suarez possibly going.

But surely if they are to get in a top striker they would wait until after Suarez goes for 50m or whatever. They could find a decent striker (like Jackson Martinez) and still have money left over for elsewhere.

I think Liverpool are doing a decent job of progressing slowly given where they are these days. They can't attract the top top names. They are lie us under Eriksson. Almost there but not yet. They need to go through the Hughes phase and the Mancini phase etc. Its a long windy road...

I wouldn't wish the Hughes phase on anyone ;-)

 

[bluevengence]

Was watching Nicol on ESPN earlier bemoaning that Liverpool were signing young low cost strikers, like Aspas and not big names and that it is made worse by Suarez possibly going.

But surely if they are to get in a top striker they would wait until after Suarez goes for 50m or whatever. They could find a decent striker (like Jackson Martinez) and still have money left over for elsewhere.

I think Liverpool are doing a decent job of progressing slowly given where they are these days. They can't attract the top top names. They are lie us under Eriksson. Almost there but not yet. They need to go through the Hughes phase and the Mancini phase etc. Its a long windy road...

They need to go through to Shiekh Mansour phase to be honest.....but it aint gonna happen...never mind eh!

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Can't see Liverpool getting back to the top for a very long while, and if they ever produce players like Gerrard, Carragher and Owen again, they'll see no reason to stay there. Honestly couldn't picture them winning the league (their dominance was before me).

This is precisely the point that fans of Liverpool conspicuously fail to grasp.

The system is so inherently unfair. Any team finishing 5th-8th will find it increasingly difficult to keep hold of their best players as the gap between them and City, united, Arsenal and Chelsea continues to widen.

I am sure they grasp that reality by the way. What they refuse to come to terms with is that it was their naked greed that created this state of affairs in the first place.

I didn't hear many screams from their supporters about how unfair it all was, and how much they hated modern football when they were qualifying for the Champions League every year, lording it over the likes of us and sweeping up the best talent from those on their coat-tails every summer.

They talk about the way our club is run without any regard for the fact that without the intervention of FSG they would have gone into administration. Since that takeover they have had to be propped up by their owners. How is that a model for "doing it the right way"?

It's funny, some of them still talk about us as a "nothing club". We've never been a nothing club. Prior to 2008 we had as colourful and interesting a narrative as any football club in this country, something that any true supporter of the game would truly appreciate, rather than dismiss as "nothing".

So I won't fall into the same trap. Liverpool are a great club, with a great storyboard. They have, in the main, great supporters (RAWK apart) who can rightly be proud of themselves about the way they have handled the post-Hillsborough landscape.

They are not a nothing club, but they are currently far, far less important in English football than we are. The reason for that, when all's said and done, was a takeover of our club that occurred a little under five years ago. A takeover that came about because of the vast sums of money that were washing around the English game, especially at the very top.

This is a landscape that Liverpool, in conjunction with united, Arsenal, Everton and Spurs created all those years ago. They saw an opportunity to enrich themselves at others' expense and for some of them it has paid off. For others it has not. That is the risk you take when you move the pieces on the board. You change the dynamic of the game and factors that you cannot possibly conceive of come in to play.

That is what has happened to Liverpool. They've gambled and failed. Don't blame us or our owners for this state of affairs.

LFC thought little about City back then, or its supporters, other than a little "fuck you" to themselves, no doubt. "We're alright, that's the main thing".

Sat here now, all those years later, I am more than happy to reciprocate those sentiments and to thank you with all my heart for making it all possible.

You've expelled yourself Gord (my thanks to Del Trotter).

 

[Ducado]

Can't see Liverpool getting back to the top for a very long while, and if they ever produce players like Gerrard, Carragher and Owen again, they'll see no reason to stay there. Honestly couldn't picture them winning the league (their dominance was before me).

This is precisely the point that fans of Liverpool conspicuously fail to grasp.

The system is so inherently unfair. Any team finishing 5th-8th will find it increasingly difficult to keep hold of their best players as the gap between them and City, united, Arsenal and Chelsea continues to widen.

I am sure they grasp that reality by the way. What they refuse to come to terms with is that it was their naked greed that created this state of affairs in the first place.

I didn't hear many screams from their supporters about how unfair it all was, and how much they hated modern football when they were qualifying for the Champions League every year, lording it over the likes of us and sweeping up the best talent from those on their coat-tails every summer.

They talk about the way our club is run without any regard for the fact that without the intervention of FSG they would have gone into administration. Since that takeover they have had to be propped up by their owners. How is that a model for "doing it the right way"?

It's funny, some of them still talk about us as a "nothing club". We've never been a nothing club. Prior to 2008 we had as colourful and interesting a narrative as any football club in this country, something that any true supporter of the game would truly appreciate, rather than dismiss as "nothing".

So I won't fall into the same trap. Liverpool are a great club, with a great storyboard. They have, in the main, great supporters (RAWK apart) who can rightly be proud of themselves about the way they have handled the post-Hillsborough landscape.

They are not a nothing club, but they are currently far, far less important in English football than we are. The reason for that, when all's said and done, was a takeover of our club that occurred a little under five years ago. A takeover that came about because of the vast sums of money that were washing around the English game, especially at the very top.

This is a landscape that Liverpool, in conjunction with united, Arsenal, Everton and Spurs created all those years ago. They saw an opportunity to enrich themselves at others' expense and for some of them it has paid off. For others it has not. That is the risk you take when you move the pieces on the board. You change the dynamic of the game and factors that you cannot possibly conceive of come in to play.

That is what has happened to Liverpool. They've gambled and failed. Don't blame us or our owners for this state of affairs.

LFC thought little about City back then, or its supporters, other than a little "fuck you" to themselves, no doubt. "We're alright, that's the main thing".

Sat here now, all those years later, I am more than happy to reciprocate those sentiments and to thank you with all my heart for making it all possible.

Good post and spells it out, all but one thing I agree with the one thing is, I beleive that they still make a fair bit of money for their owners and this a curse to them, if the owners are getting a reasonable return for their investment, why bother risking more to increase it, especially when the increase would not be worth the risk, it's a curse that will be falling on United in the next few years, the name of the curse is "American Owners" you only have to look to Villa to see where it will eventually lead

 

[TueartsOHK]

One of those blues just got a bollocking for mentioning the Sun, even though he was slagging it off. That place is a fucking joke, and they have the nerve to whinge about here.

*waves at the lurking dippers*

I was the blue you mention. I signed up to RAWK (naively you could say) to have a some good discussion on their Manchester City thread as I couldn't see many blues on there and the whole thread was very one sided. I also went on their Hillsborough thread and offered my support for their cause and signed their petition

Firstly the general hospitality to opposition fans on the site is severly lacking - there is no welcome to the forum or any pleasant exchanges - they are on the defensive from the start.

I found over the days that followed that Liverpool are only interested in talking about City if it's within the context of FFP. When you try to discuss FFP it's always in the context that Liverpool are run correctly and City are in league with the Devil. There is a lot socialist clap trap that we're spoiling football (they don't like you pointing out that United are competing against Chelsea and City and they don't have the financial backing of a sugar Daddy or the fact that that during the 80s they broke the bank for Barnes and Beardsley). I asked why (if they felt strongly about FFP) there wasn't a Chelsea thread and why the PSG thread was 7 pages and I suggested that maybe it would be better to have a seperate thread for City to allow us to discuss football. One or two of the members on there did attempt to discuss football (although as one guy said it has to be in context of Liverpool) but they have a lot of twats on there who are only interested in point scoring, confrontation etc.

This all reached it's head on Friday. I was having a friendly exchange with one of the Liverpool fans who reported some news from the Daily Mirror but had embellished some of the figures. I replied saying that with his skills for changing the facts he should get a job with the Sun - my joke was clearly criticising the Sun for printing shit. Another guy on there started having a pop at me for making jokes about the Sun (I even had a PM sent to me to say steer clear from any Sun jokes on this forum) and at that point I thought this isn't worth the effort.

The irony is that one of the Liverpool posters on there has got a joke (in the footer of all his posts) about the holocaust I'm from a Jewish family but I didn't get offended by this - but what sort of fucking hypocrisy doesn't allow you to mention the name of a newspaper but can make a joke about the holocaust!!

Since signing off from RAWK I have had 5 personal messages from some members trying to get me to go back - these seem like decent blokes who were embarassed at how I was treated on the forum. But for me it was too much like hard work - I'm not going to tread on egg shells watching every word I say but I have to say it was not a pleasant experience. I like to think that when we get opposition fans on here we can have a decent discussion - if you're thinking of doing this on RAWK I hope you have more luck than I did.