Liverpool Thread 2013/14 (continued)

[sir baconface]

Genuine question then, is that it? Do some of you think there is now an 'abc' culture?

Up to a point, yes. At least in relation to our immediate competetors. It's the inevitable price of dining at the top table. To fans of all the other 'top' clubs we are seen as arriviste upstarts. The nouveau riche have always had trouble fitting in for a little while, but they don't stay 'nouveau' for ever. That is what is so delicious about all this. The plans for our club are so well conceived, so well resourced that within a few years we'll be seen as an establishment club with....errrr.....class who do things 'the right way'. A club that others....errrr....aspire to.

Anyone who can't see that doesn't know what's coming.

Then we'll be like Del Boy's vintage nouveau Beaujolais. Or something like that.

 

[Pigeonho]

I remember being recently educated as to what the term 'Abu' meant. Since then it's become apparent that is quite honestly how united fans see other fans perception of them. Is that what's happening here? Have an element of our fans decided that people now want anyone but city to win? What with talk of Liverpool wankfests and all that caper, it's like an instant self defence mechanism has kicked in where, instead of seeing it as people merely praising Liverpool for their recent run and shot at the title, it must actually be that they simply just don't want city to win the league, despite showing us the same praise not so long ago.
Genuine question then, is that it? Do some of you think there is now an 'abc' culture?

Give a fucking rest for once Pige?

Where is our Mickey 'horse bothering' Quinn, Brazil, Cork, Neville, even Dwight Yorke, Hansen, Lawrenson or that mithering Irish fella from TS?

Unless its Noel or Hatton getting a few minutes airtime we do suffer from not having City fans on.

I understand because being pro rag or scouse will keep viewing figures up.

Give what a rest? Asking questions? Re the old pro's, I've just mentioned that.

 

[mcmanus]

I remember being recently educated as to what the term 'Abu' meant. Since then it's become apparent that is quite honestly how united fans see other fans perception of them. Is that what's happening here? Have an element of our fans decided that people now want anyone but city to win? What with talk of Liverpool wankfests and all that caper, it's like an instant self defence mechanism has kicked in where, instead of seeing it as people merely praising Liverpool for their recent run and shot at the title, it must actually be that they simply just don't want city to win the league, despite showing us the same praise not so long ago.
Genuine question then, is that it? Do some of you think there is now an 'abc' culture?

Give a fucking rest for once Pige?

Where is our Mickey 'horse bothering' Quinn, Brazil, Cork, Neville, even Dwight Yorke, Hansen, Lawrenson or that mithering Irish fella from TS?

Unless its Noel or Hatton getting a few minutes airtime we do suffer from not having City fans on.

I understand because being pro rag or scouse will keep viewing figures up.

Give what a rest? Asking questions? Re the old pro's, I've just mentioned that.

I did ask the question before your answer to GDM.

 

[Brightwell’s left peg]

Toxteth Candles Ltd are reporting severe decline in sales and it's been reported that the usual high profits in the three months after Christmas have been the lowest in over 20 years.

Expecting a boost in sales 11 may

But in the interests of preservation are looking into expanding their business into the trafford area.

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

Genuine question then, is that it? Do some of you think there is now an 'abc' culture?

Up to a point, yes. At least in relation to our immediate competetors. It's the inevitable price of dining at the top table. To fans of all the other 'top' clubs we are seen as arriviste upstarts. The nouveau riche have always had trouble fitting in for a little while, but they don't stay 'nouveau' for ever. That is what is so delicious about all this. The plans for our club are so well conceived, so well resourced that within a few years we'll be seen as an establishment club with....errrr.....class who do things 'the right way'. A club that others....errrr....aspire to.

Anyone who can't see that doesn't know what's coming.

I've wondered in the last few years how those holier than thou tossers Arsenal were viewed in the 1930s.
Up until then they had never won a trophy (no history) had relocated to North London from South London
(the MK Dons of their day) and bribed and blackmailed their way into the top division (no obvious comparison).
I bet fans of "proper clubs" like Aston Villa and Sunderland looked down their noses at them.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Genuine question then, is that it? Do some of you think there is now an 'abc' culture?

Up to a point, yes. At least in relation to our immediate competetors. It's the inevitable price of dining at the top table. To fans of all the other 'top' clubs we are seen as arriviste upstarts. The nouveau riche have always had trouble fitting in for a little while, but they don't stay 'nouveau' for ever. That is what is so delicious about all this. The plans for our club are so well conceived, so well resourced that within a few years we'll be seen as an establishment club with....errrr.....class who do things 'the right way'. A club that others....errrr....aspire to.

Anyone who can't see that doesn't know what's coming.

What about the media though? You see the only difference I see compared to the fantastic coverage we were getting when we were tearing teams apart, is that there are old pro's of Liverpool being interviewed, and they are all faces people recognise. We didn't really have anyone like that, so as far as romanticising goes, as suggested by jay, I think that is about the only difference.

I think there is an innate desire within the sports media for a Liverpool title win, which now supersedes all other considerations: for three reasons.

The first is commercial. This point has been advanced at length on here and there is little I can add to that debate tbh.

The second relates to the media's love of a good narrative. Liverpool winning the league, in this year of all years, satisfies a prevailing yearning to tell a story with a happy ending.

The third is demographic. Those who played for Liverpool in their playing peak are now in their peak years in the media. The same goes for journalists. Many of those with power in the media had their loyalties forged a generation ago, when Liverpool were imperious. The journalism students of the late 80's are now sports editors.

Furthermore there is a romantasism attached to the club,which is not without some merit, which acts as a catalyst to all the above.

For those reasons they certainly punch above their weight in the media. To suggest otherwise is utterly deluded.

 

[Pigeonho]

Up to a point, yes. At least in relation to our immediate competetors. It's the inevitable price of dining at the top table. To fans of all the other 'top' clubs we are seen as arriviste upstarts. The nouveau riche have always had trouble fitting in for a little while, but they don't stay 'nouveau' for ever. That is what is so delicious about all this. The plans for our club are so well conceived, so well resourced that within a few years we'll be seen as an establishment club with....errrr.....class who do things 'the right way'. A club that others....errrr....aspire to.

Anyone who can't see that doesn't know what's coming.

What about the media though? You see the only difference I see compared to the fantastic coverage we were getting when we were tearing teams apart, is that there are old pro's of Liverpool being interviewed, and they are all faces people recognise. We didn't really have anyone like that, so as far as romanticising goes, as suggested by jay, I think that is about the only difference.

I think there is an innate desire within the sports media for a Liverpool title win, which now supersedes all other considerations: for three reasons.

The first is commercial. This point has been advanced at length on here and there is little I can add to that debate tbh.

The second relates to the media's love of a good narrative. Liverpool winning the league, in this year of all years. satisfies a prevailing yearning to tell a story with a happy ending.

The third is demographic. Those who played for Liverpool in their playing peak are now in their peak years in the media. The same goes for journalists. Many of those with power in the media had their loyalties forged a generation ago, when Liverpool were imperious. The journalism students of the late 80's are now sports editors.

Furthermore there is a romantasism attached to the club,which is not without some merit, which acts as a catalyst to all the above.

For those reasons they certainly punch above their weight in the media. To suggest otherwise is utterly deluded.

Decent stuff GDM, the bit about their ex players in particular and which I can understand. I do though also think, (with talksport especially), there is an element of build them up to knock them down, if and when they fail to cross the line. We know the shows that will go for the jugular.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

What about the media though? You see the only difference I see compared to the fantastic coverage we were getting when we were tearing teams apart, is that there are old pro's of Liverpool being interviewed, and they are all faces people recognise. We didn't really have anyone like that, so as far as romanticising goes, as suggested by jay, I think that is about the only difference.

I think there is an innate desire within the sports media for a Liverpool title win, which now supersedes all other considerations: for three reasons.

The first is commercial. This point has been advanced at length on here and there is little I can add to that debate tbh.

The second relates to the media's love of a good narrative. Liverpool winning the league, in this year of all years. satisfies a prevailing yearning to tell a story with a happy ending.

The third is demographic. Those who played for Liverpool in their playing peak are now in their peak years in the media. The same goes for journalists. Many of those with power in the media had their loyalties forged a generation ago, when Liverpool were imperious. The journalism students of the late 80's are now sports editors.

Furthermore there is a romantasism attached to the club,which is not without some merit, which acts as a catalyst to all the above.

For those reasons they certainly punch above their weight in the media. To suggest otherwise is utterly deluded.

Decent stuff GDM, the bit about their ex players in particular and which I can understand. I do though also think, (with talksport especially), there is an element of build them up to knock them down, if and when they fail to cross the line. We know the shows that will go for the jugular.

the jugular will be Moyes, England, Wenger, or if we don't win it, maybe Pelle. But this summer will be about building Liverpool as a force and a CL team again, and once there are no other fall guys people like Moyes will be feasted upon because the media will want to start the new chapter and keep United relevant.

 

[Scouse_Jimi]

Got to keep finding the players with a point to prove, which you've done pretty well (Suarez, Sturridge, Coutinho etc.), your only downside is that if you don't win trophies then those who have stepped up will want to go and win those trophies, especially as they're all brought in and not home grown with loyalties in the local vicinity like Gerrard. I suppose if you torment and scare them into staying then they'll hang around in fear.

It's what we do well, buy players with a point to prove and potential and win trophies, good model to follow.

Which players have you bought with a point to prove? I suppose Toure did have being a bench warmer for Barca but who else?

We'll win trophies, need to remember we're right at the begining of quite a big rebuilding job. The fact we're only a year in and we're challenging for the league is a massive achievement. Anfield will be getting expanded and there's a 20k waiting list for season tickets...rammed full every week whilst keeping it's historic roots. On the up - I imagine we'll be having some pretty titanic battles over the next few years, can't wait.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

They've had good fortune with injuries, coupled with only having the league to worry about. They are making the most of the opportunity. Plus Suarez has gone to another level this season.

Good fortune with injuries? You kidding me?

We've had Johnson out for a number of games, Agger was injured, Enrique injured since November, Sakho has been injured, Sturridge missed 8 games through injury, Lucas has been injured, Allen has been injured. Hardly fucking luck mate! You say it like we've had no mid week games at all. Obviously we've had nowhere near as many as you but you're squad is bigger and better anyway so that is no excuse!

He was fishing mate, in fact more fool anyone responding to the post!

Like he said. You've been fucking lucky with injuries ;-)