jimharri said:I tried reasoning with him, but he was having none of it. I was arguing for the sake of it. Fine; I'll leave him to it. I just can't be arsed trying to make him see what's in front of him.Vienna_70 said:jimharri said:No; not for the sake of it at all. You can't seriously tell me that the Gerrard of this past 18 months is the same Gerrard who pulled you/them back from the brink in Istanbul, who baled you/them out in the cup final against West Ham, who scored that late goal against Olympiakos (?) in the CL. Be honest. You know what I'm saying is true.
I'm with you, Jim.
If Starfish was still the same player as he was in the instances you give, he would be playing every game, rather than the bit-part player he has been this season.
He was a great player; he's been a great servant to Liverpool FC, but he's no longer in his pomp and hasn't been for quite some time now.
FanchesterCity said:I think he's a fantastic player.
Yes, he's well past his best now, but I think it's pedantic to argue over the use of 'is' vs 'was'.
The media coverage has been way over the top. I can understand Liverpool fans desire to give him a great send off, but I don't think it's necessary for Sky to!
The comparison with Lampard is a little unfair. Lampard's played in some fantastic Chelsea teams and Gerrard's not had the same luxury at Liverpool. I'd have loved Gerrard at City, but c'est la vie.
He's the very last of Liverpool's spirit - there simply isn't any more left in the bottle now, and mediocrity beckons.
Robbo. said:I would love to have a player that has stuck with our club and won as many trophies as Gerrard has, also to top it off he's a local lad. Anyone who doesn't agree is just a complete twat. Gerrard is a legend to Liverpool and I would love a player to play for us from the academy and retire with us. Good luck Gerrard!
[bigimg]http://media.giphy.com/media/zkSFsZpQMZuG4/giphy.gif[/bigimg]jimharri said:Anyone with reasonable eyesight can see he is no longer a great player. Even the odd sensible Liverpool fan can see it. 5-10 years ago, he was in his prime and was a very good player. A great player? Hmm.Blueband Brother said:jimharri said:So; you agree with me. He isn't a great player any more.
I don't agree with you because as I said, he is a great player so I still see him as such. There is no trap or confusion, my opinion is clear about that. You may disagree but that is your right.
Robbo. said:I would love to have a player that has stuck with our club and won as many trophies as Gerrard has, also to top it off he's a local lad. Anyone who doesn't agree is just a complete twat. Gerrard is a legend to Liverpool and I would love a player to play for us from the academy and retire with us. Good luck Gerrard!
1961_vintage said:Robbo. said:I would love to have a player that has stuck with our club and won as many trophies as Gerrard has, also to top it off he's a local lad. Anyone who doesn't agree is just a complete twat. Gerrard is a legend to Liverpool and I would love a player to play for us from the academy and retire with us. Good luck Gerrard!
Good summary.