Liverpool thread 2019/20

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It was noise and bluster from an individual pretending to be a supporter of a club they are not. That is against the COC.

Imo.

I'm 43 years old. Do you seriously think I need to pretend to support a different team to the one I support, when there are open Liverpool supporters on the forum already?

I raised some specific points that you couldn't rebut, so instead of trying, you attack the messenger. I'll spell it out again; I want you guy to win the league, but if you don't, then I don't want you to all turn into a conspiracy cult, because I like you.
 
Only one player from Liverpool congratulated City last year, TAA. Complete silence from the rest as far as I remember.

I think it was a come and get me Tweet. :)
How many of our players congratulated liverpool for their CL, super cup and CWC win? I understand the hate but lets not be hypocrites here man. Nobody needs to congratulate anyone, we are overtaking the scums as their main rival. That's says alot.
 
VAR helping Liverpool and the PL giving Liverpool a clear advantage during the Christmas period are closely related things.

Think for a moment: the only 2 teams with 3 days rest after Boxing Day are Liverpool and the team playing City. Given that Liverpool were scheduled to play before City their Boxing Day fixture, why do they play after City their New Year's Day fixture? Doesn't makes any sense.
 
I'm 43 years old. Do you seriously think I need to pretend to support a different team to the one I support, when there are open Liverpool supporters on the forum already?

I raised some specific points that you couldn't rebut, so instead of trying, you attack the messenger. I'll spell it out again; I want you guy to win the league, but if you don't, then I don't want you to all turn into a conspiracy cult, because I like you.
I really want to see someone dissect your points.
 
The hate is too much man. I asked a genuine question.
You have to earn a bit of respect by showing up in different threads with your thoughts on City. Alls I’ve read from you since joining up is backhanded compliments to liverpool and digs at blues and their complaints at how we’ve been shafted.
Can spot the wums a mile off. They don’t tend to be the brightest.
I’d think more of you if you’d been open on who you support.
 
As much as we hate the mail they are telling it as it is . Ps nicked of Twitter.
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So here goes...I've been a long term lurker on here, but I joined today because I want to give you guys some advice that genuinely comes from a place of love. I'm a Birmingham fan, so the top of the prem is about as far away from my clubs interests as an ant copying the hunting tactics of a lion. First some background, I grew up in the era where Liverpool were the dominant team in football, and with a few family members supporting them, I always enjoyed watching them play.

I never liked united or Chelsea but loved that early 2000's Arsenal team. Then you guys came along, and you gave me hope that maybe at some point my club could get an investor and although it's doubtful we'd get one like yours, there would be a chance to propel us up the food chain and make us relevant. I identified with you guys seeing you struggle through the lower leagues and you easily became the team I'd always watch out for in the league. Then you got Pep (whose Barca team is probably the greatest I've ever seen), so city winning the league with 100 pts a season, playing the football of the gods for a decade until we get our house in order and rightfully rise to our birthright at the top of the league would have been the ideal scenario for me - and I'm sure most of you wouldn't have minded that either!

However, this forum is a poor reflection on city this year; the conspiracy theories flying around are, to an outsider, insane. I'm a member of a few footie forums, including a Liverpool one, and last year they were full of praise and admiration for the title-winning run you put together. It wasn't a bottle job - they finished with a points tally that only one team in English league history had bettered. Twice!

Football by it's very nature is cyclical, which is why united went 26 years without winning it, and liverpool are at 30. Your owners mean that cycle is no longer relevant to you, so you'll always be around that level. You'll win it far more regularly than any other club in my opinion. That's the point, you can't win it every single year, so learning how to not cry foul every time someone else has a better season is important.

Instead of drugs, var, media, any other Alex Jones-esque infowars bullshit conspiracy theories, don't lower yourselves to that level. Re-group next year and take it back, rather than it being everyone else's fault that you're going to lose it this year.

I know you're probably going to call me a red, if everything I've read on these pages over the last few weeks is anything to go by, but I genuinely want you guys to be better than you're being. Take that with the intended sincerity, or tell me to fuck off, it's up to you.

Are you denying those two facts: (1) Liverpool have had more favourable decisions this season than City and (2) the Christmas schedule is designed to benefit Liverpool?

How do you make sense of the Christmas schedule?

Do you seriously think that Liverpool getting far more often controversial decisions in their favour is just a figment of our imagination, not based on any facts? Could you give an example of a decision favouring City from the start of the season to the Wolves game when the title was practically decided?

We have had injuries and have aging players in some positions, so Liverpool are deservedly top of the league. But do you think that they deserve to be 14 pts ahead of City with a game in hand? That they have been so much better? There are no statisitcal data which would support such a conclusion.

Take a look at that xG table: https://understat.com/league/EPL

Liverpool are outperforming their xG by 15 fucking pts. That's incredible over just 19 games. xG provides a statistical picture which may have serious limitations. But it is still better than most fans' views which are often skewed by various cognitive biases.

City fans are not happy because the difference in the performances between both teams hasn't been as big as the table suggests and because part of the reason why they are 14 pts clear is (un)intentional refereeing errors. Every other game played by Liverpool has involved dubious decisions. E.g., how is pushing Lovren against Palace a foul and Van Dijk pushing an Everton player in the box not a foul? Are the same criteria applied?
 
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Are you denying those two facts: (1) Liverpool have had more favourable decisions this season than City and (2) the Christmas schedule is designed to benefit Liverpool?

How do you make sense of the Christmas schedule?

Do you seriously think that Liverpool getting far more often controversial decisions in their favour is just a figment of our imagination, not based on any facts? Could you give an example of a decision favouring City from the start of the season to the Wolves game when the title was practically decided?

We have had injuries and have aging players in some positions, so Liverpool are deservedly top of the league. But do you think that they deserve to be 14 pts ahead of City with a game in hand? That they have been so much better? There are no statisitcal data which would support such a conclusion.

Take a look at that xG table: https://understat.com/league/EPL

Liverpool are outperforming their xG by 15 fucking pts. That's incredible over just 19 games. xG provides a statistical picture which may have serious limitations. But it is still better than most fans's views which are utterly skewd by various cognitive biases.

City fans are not happy because the difference in the performances between both teams hasn't been as big as the table suggests and because part of the reason why it is so big is (un)intentional refereeing errors. Every other game played by Liverpool has involved dubious decisions. E.g., how is pushing Lovren against Palace a foul and Van Dijk pushing an Everton player in the box not a foul? Are the same criteria applied?
Good analysis, Mendy was honest in the Wolves game but if he’d gone down like Lovren I suspect he still wouldn’t have got the “foul”. We don’t deserve to be top this season but the Dippers have around 8 points more from contentious decisions, Chelsea, Palace, Wolves and Villa off the top of my head.
 
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