Liverpool thread 2019/20

[Kegler Super]

“Same financial Resources”? Didnt your club make make 113m net profit last financial year?! Dont fall for the media narrative use you intellect.

That doesn’t necessarily follow that we have the same resources as you through one year of data. To suggest so is disingenuous and doesn’t advance the discussion. We don’t have two £40/50m players for each position whereas that’s pretty much the case for you. To be absolutely unequivocally clear on this issue, I have no problem with that. If the money’s available then why not get the best squad you possibly can. By contrast, I think Jurgen’s net spend since he’s been here has been about £45m. Does that make him better than Pep? Does a more expensive, deeper squad make Pep better. The answer to both is no - two teams with different approaches are quite simply killing it. Doesn’t make one more laudable than the other.

 

[crazyg]

I'm not trying to be funny or anything like that, but UEFA class it as an invitation only competition.
Like some exclusive club.

Well, it WAS, until other teams started winning the lottery, buying their league, and gaining admission to the gravy train. the "European Royalty" (TM) didn't like it, so they brought in FFP to get rid of these upstarts, even changing the rules to ensure they failed.
This didn't deter those clubs, who "took a pinch" and paid a fine, only for the same offence to be retried and the verdict leaked to the media. We all suspect who the culprit is, but it's now like a fencing match - all thrust and parry!

 

[Kegler Super]

You may be aware I’ve enjoyed watching many finals recently all at Wembley and yes I was there at them all. Most were decent games but we always tend to do well at Wembley. Again you are avoiding the issue you raised though about players only wanting to win the champions league. That’s just blatantly not the case. And you assume I don’t care about the CL, that’s not true either as I recognise to be regarded in the media at least as ‘great’ adding that trophy is important. BUT the league is a truer test of greatness as you well know, it’s harder to win and luck plays a far smaller role. Still you carry on telling yourself that the real glory is found in the CL.

Did you read what I said earlier? If a player moves to a club for the chance of CL glory then by default he’s moving to a team that he believes can win their domestic title or at the very least be in with a great chance.
Do you think players move to City just to win the PL?

 

[waspish]

That doesn’t necessarily follow that we have the same resources as you through one year of data. To suggest so is disingenuous and doesn’t advance the discussion. We don’t have two £40/50m players for each position whereas that’s pretty much the case for you. To be absolutely unequivocally clear on this issue, I have no problem with that. If the money’s available then why not get the best squad you possibly can. By contrast, I think Jurgen’s net spend since he’s been here has been about £45m. Does that make him better than Pep? Does a more expensive, deeper squad make Pep better. The answer to both is no - two teams with different approaches are quite simply killing it. Doesn’t make one more laudable than the other.

We have the same resources our owner hasnt put a penny into the club on players for the last 4 seasons! Just look at liverpools turn over and profit, the club if they wanted can buy more players.

 

[everythingchangesbutblue]

That doesn’t necessarily follow that we have the same resources as you through one year of data. To suggest so is disingenuous and doesn’t advance the discussion. We don’t have two £40/50m players for each position whereas that’s pretty much the case for you. To be absolutely unequivocally clear on this issue, I have no problem with that. If the money’s available then why not get the best squad you possibly can. By contrast, I think Jurgen’s net spend since he’s been here has been about £45m. Does that make him better than Pep? Does a more expensive, deeper squad make Pep better. The answer to both is no - two teams with different approaches are quite simply killing it. Doesn’t make one more laudable than the other.

the "net spend" is because your best players constantly want to leave and your owners pocket a huge % of your profits. city plough their profits back into the club. You have failed FFP as many times as we have and if not for some dodgy accounting you would have failed it more.

 

[Indaparkside]

That doesn’t necessarily follow that we have the same resources as you through one year of data. To suggest so is disingenuous and doesn’t advance the discussion. We don’t have two £40/50m players for each position whereas that’s pretty much the case for you. To be absolutely unequivocally clear on this issue, I have no problem with that. If the money’s available then why not get the best squad you possibly can. By contrast, I think Jurgen’s net spend since he’s been here has been about £45m. Does that make him better than Pep? Does a more expensive, deeper squad make Pep better. The answer to both is no - two teams with different approaches are quite simply killing it. Doesn’t make one more laudable than the other.

You've been a member since 22nd sept and had 59 posts as of typing, could being 5 points clear have anything to do with it?? Can't you disguss most of these points on rawk as a lot of us aint interested in your verbal diarrhea. You'll soon come and go like redman etc etc

 

[Kegler Super]

We have the same resources our owner hasnt put a penny into the club on players for the last 4 seasons! Just look at liverpools turn over and profit, the club if they wanted can buy more players.

There’s a point to be made about us getting one or two more players. I personally would like better back up to the front three but that’s just me. Myself, if Jurgen is happy with the way things are then that’s good enough for me. He’s earned our trust because his balls out decisions have paid off big time ie waiting 6 months to bring VVD in.
But, PSG aside, there isn’t a club in the game with your financial resources. The old guard of Barca and Real are suffering terribly.

 

[bondsman]

Did you read what I said earlier? If a player moves to a club for the chance of CL glory then by default he’s moving to a team that he believes can win their domestic title or at the very least be in with a great chance.
Do you think players move to City just to win the PL?

So that reinforces my point that players move to win trophies not JUST to win the CL because it’s the be all and end all as you are arguing.

 

[Kegler Super]

You've been a member since 22nd sept and had 59 posts as of typing, could being 5 points clear have anything to do with it?? Can't you disguss most of these points on rawk as a lot of us aint interested in your verbal diarrhea. You'll soon come and go like redman etc etc

Hahaha...you lot have a proper fucking hard on for RAWK. I’ve never been a member of there in my life and as I said on here a few days back, saying that they’re representative of our core fan base is like saying this place is representative of yours. Of course neither place are, seems a daft example to pick up on. I just like chatting about footy though, always interested in decent debate without name calling which does nobody any favours.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

I’ve not followed the cases closely but I don’t believe that the UEFA agenda is against City singularly, it’s more towards British clubs as a whole. That said, it shouldn’t be ignored or swept under the carpet. All you can do is try to win matches. Not sure you can blame UEFA for not getting your money back for CSKA, that’s down to the club. You paid them for your tickets surely? It was exceptionally bad luck against Spurs in the CL but the correct decision was made. I’m not a big fan of VAR at all even though decisions have gone for us and against us. Used properly and correctly instead of subjectively and without clear purpose, it’d be great. But the rationale that is used is based on one thing - don’t undermine the referee. Well, if they’ve got it wrong, they need to be undermined. Do it properly or not at all.

It feels like an agenda from our point of view, the whole reason ffp was brought in was to stop City and PSG, it’s got rock all in to protecting clubs against debt, specially when they allow United and Madrid in it. Then how they changed their stance when it started effecting their other buddies Ac Milan, if your owner has money why can’t they invest it in how they seem fit. No other business sector adopts this stance.

Then they use stolen evidence from a blackmailer to build a case against us. I believe the incompetence of Uefa from a legal point of view will get City off on a technicality. Which suits them as they don’t have to do anything more but leaves City with a smear against our name, which suites everyone else as they can salivate over our dirty oil money ruining football.

The CSKA fiasco got even worse as Cska actually let some of their fans into the stadium when it was supposed to be behind closed doors.

The game against Spurs the ball was handled into the net by Llorente and given, then we get the same situation v Spurs in the premier league and it’s disallowed. Var is open to interpretation and not conclusive like it is in other sports. But that’s a debate for another day.

The other bit of apathy is the group games are nothing competitions. We know City will Cruise this group and the competition only gets going in March, Liverpool got beat off Napoli but you would put your house on them topping the group compared to the standard of the other teams. How many of the group games will mean nothing in November and December when qualification is pretty much secure? Uefa are starting to realise this by letting the super league rear it’s ugly head again.