Lucas Paqueta investigated by FA for alleged betting breaches

[Tokyo32]

Just remember that the FA is still just investigating. We don’t know anything about the charges yet or even possible penalties. It would take a while to know what happens if he is charged and he is presumed innocent till proven otherwise.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Just remember that the FA is still just investigating. We don’t know anything about the charges yet or even possible penalties. It would take a while to know what happens if he is charged and he is presumed innocent till proven otherwise.

It’s obvious that he must have been involved.

How much proof they have will determine his ban/prison sentence.

 

[Asa's left peg]

Just won 60 quid on him getting injured in the 2nd min!

 

[Summerbuzz]

It’s obvious that he must have been involved.

How much proof they have will determine his ban/prison sentence.

Going to disagree here - to me, it's not at all obvious.

Each report is worded differently. You look at them together, how is he not involved. But that's chinese whispers for you.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Going to disagree here - to me, it's not at all obvious.

Each report is worded differently. You look at them together, how is he not involved. But that's chinese whispers for you.

The first question I’d be asking is why these bets were put on in his neighbourhood in Brazil. That’s far too much of a coincidence for him not to be involved.

 

[Summerbuzz]

The first question I’d be asking is why these bets were put on in his neighbourhood in Brazil. That’s far too much of a coincidence for him not to be involved.

Well, IP addresses and locations hold little to no weight. And identity theft is incredibly common on the web.

Hence, in the three other cases cited, Sturridge, Trippier and Toney, other evidence was provided - in the first two cases, text messages where the information was passed on. In the second, it was possible to conclusively prove Toney was the one making bets.

I mean, how many bets are made in that island every weekend? 4000 people in Brazil? A football mad nation, where the neighbourhood will have it's share of compulsive gamblers, for sure.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Well, IP addresses and locations hold little to no weight. And identity theft is incredibly common on the web.

Hence, in the three other cases cited, Sturridge, Trippier and Toney, other evidence was provided - in the first two cases, text messages where the information was passed on. In the second, it was possible to conclusively prove Toney was the one making bets.

I mean, how many bets are made in that island every weekend? 4000 people in Brazil? A football mad nation, where the neighbourhood will have it's share of compulsive gamblers, for sure.

A football mad nation betting on yellow cards in a game thousands of miles away for a player from where they live?

I mean, it could be a coincidence, but it’s quite a stretch.

It’s far more serious than Toney and the others. It’s spot fixing and could end up with him doing time.

 

[Summerbuzz]

A football mad nation betting on yellow cards in a game thousands of miles away for a player from where they live?

I mean, it could be a coincidence, but it’s quite a stretch.

It’s far more serious than Toney and the others. It’s spot fixing and could end up with him doing time.

"EPL" is a phenomenon globally. Matches can draw viewing figures north of 100m.

It's easy to conflate the seriousness of the event with the level of proof. The former is not in doubt. But unless the evidence is sound and answers the reasonable doubts, there's no punishment, possibly not even a charge.

Found this from earlier in the year;

FA investigates Arsenal yellow card amid suspicious betting patterns

The Football Association is investigating reports of suspicious betting activity around the awarding of a yellow card to an Arsenal player

www.theguardian.com

FA probe into suspicious betting patterns during Arsenal FA Cup tie

The Football Association have launched an investigation into suspicious betting patterns around the booking of Oxford defender Ciaron Brown during their FA Cup defeat by Arsenal.

www.standard.co.uk

Two investigations regarding yellow cards in Arsenal matches, one in the EPL regarding an Arsenal player. Remember any charges? I can't find anything.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

"EPL" is a phenomenon globally. Matches can draw viewing figures north of 100m.

It's easy to conflate the seriousness of the event with the level of proof. The former is not in doubt. But unless the evidence is sound and answers the reasonable doubts, there's no punishment, possibly not even a charge.

Found this from earlier in the year;

FA investigates Arsenal yellow card amid suspicious betting patterns

The Football Association is investigating reports of suspicious betting activity around the awarding of a yellow card to an Arsenal player

www.theguardian.com

FA probe into suspicious betting patterns during Arsenal FA Cup tie

The Football Association have launched an investigation into suspicious betting patterns around the booking of Oxford defender Ciaron Brown during their FA Cup defeat by Arsenal.

www.standard.co.uk

Two investigations regarding yellow cards in Arsenal matches, one in the EPL regarding an Arsenal player. Remember any charges? I can't find anything.

No. Were the bets put on in the players’ hometowns thousands of miles away?

We’ll find out one way or the other in due course.

It‘s circumstantial evidence so far.

 

[JamieTartt]

The standard of proof for criminal prosecution is one thing and the standard for us buying him is much much lower.

No way we take the risk of reputational damage by being associated with Paqueta, much less AFTER this story has broken.

We are out and done with Lucas Paqueta.