Madeleine McCann

JoeMercer'sWay said:
still don't get how they could have hidden her in the apartment for 23 days.
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A witness claims to have seen Gerry McCann holding a small child whilst walking towards the sea.

The idea is that they hid the body and then moved it some time later.

Another witness claims that the McCanns kept the hire car boot open day and night whilst the investigation was taking place. The same car where the dog picked up the scent of death.
 
ManCityX said:
Ally.P said:
I dont think the parents did it, i think she was taken. Plus I do think that tons and tons of parents over the years have done exactly what they did and leave their kids of an evening, I think its more common than most would like to admit.

Pity the police in Portugal didnt act quick enough to shut the borders, I think all this could have been prevented. I blame them for a lot of it.
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PMSL

It's responces like this as to why we never got the truth.

Seriously your opinion on the case is ripped straight from a uk newspaper without even taking into account the REAL facts of the case.

Watch this if you want to know the REAL evidence of the case.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF_EZCp-zJQ&feature=related[/youtube]
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Harsh harsh.

I just wonder how they and all the others they were with that night could have kept so ...well I dont know...no one does...but if they did summat, they're bloody actors .

I heard Kate refused a lie detector. Is that true?
 
JoeMercer'sWay said:
MCFC BOB said:
I think she's dead. It doesn't matter how much they search. I think she was dead within seconds of being stolen to stop her from screaming.
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who's to say her mouth wasn't taped and fed a powerful sedative or summit?
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True. But there's an international search party going out and she's not been found.
 
Ally.P said:
ManCityX said:
PMSL

It's responces like this as to why we never got the truth.

Seriously your opinion on the case is ripped straight from a uk newspaper without even taking into account the REAL facts of the case.

Watch this if you want to know the REAL evidence of the case.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF_EZCp-zJQ&feature=related[/youtube]
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Harsh harsh.

I just wonder how they and all the others they were with that night could have kept so ...well I dont know...no one does...but if they did summat, they're bloody actors .

I heard Kate refused a lie detector. Is that true?
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Please just watch the evidence.

Both the Portugese police AND the British police think their story is bull.
 
smudgedj said:
I think they left the kids alone, she woke up, went looking for her parents, got run over by a drink driving local, who panicked and put her in the back of his car and buried her in his garden. Simple and plausible.
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well if you watch that portugues(sp?) documentary you will see that the sniffer dog who has worked over 200 cases smelt a corpse in the closet and behind the sofa in the car that the family rented and on madis doll and her clothes and her mothers clothes..

i think they killed her.

they shud get the mum n dad on jeremy kyle for a lie detector test!
 
JoeMercer'sWay said:
MCFC BOB said:
I think she's dead. It doesn't matter how much they search. I think she was dead within seconds of being stolen to stop her from screaming.
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who's to say her mouth wasn't taped and fed a powerful sedative or summit?
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That's silly. How can you feed someone a sedative when they have their mouth taped? I'm not saying it didn't happen, but science is on my side with this one.
 
So is the only evidence that they killed her is that dogs sniffed 'something' in their apartment and car?

Seems a bit harsh some of the things being said, I would highly doubt a normal couple and their friends would be able to cope knowing they are covering up a childs death, a normal person would eventually crack or have a breakdown.
 
wayne71 said:
So is the only evidence that they killed her is that dogs sniffed 'something' in their apartment and car?

Seems a bit harsh some of the things being said, I would highly doubt a normal couple and their friends would be able to cope knowing they are covering up a childs death, a normal person would eventually crack or have a breakdown.
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Thats exactly what I was trying to say , just badly.
 
wayne71 said:
So is the only evidence that they killed her is that dogs sniffed 'something' in their apartment and car?

Seems a bit harsh some of the things being said, I would highly doubt a normal couple and their friends would be able to cope knowing they are covering up a childs death, a normal person would eventually crack or have a breakdown.
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Not even close. But then you obviously haven't listened to all the evidence.

Please feel free to give it a watch.
 
ManCityX said:
Not even close. But then you obviously haven't listened to all the evidence.

Please feel free to give it a watch.
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I made the comment after watching the video, I doubt 'all the evidence' is available on youtube but if you could point me in the right direction I would genuinely like to listen to it. The only fact in that whole film was that two dogs sniffed 'death' in the apartment, this cadaver smell is apparently still strong on things that have been washed several times so I would imagine that doctors dealing with dead people would smell of it and so would their clothing shoes etc.

I don't know if you're a parent but there is no way a loving parent could cover up the death of a child, you would simply be too distraught.
 
wayne71 said:
ManCityX said:
Not even close. But then you obviously haven't listened to all the evidence.

Please feel free to give it a watch.
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I made the comment after watching the video, I doubt 'all the evidence' is available on youtube but if you could point me in the right direction I would genuinely like to listen to it. The only fact in that whole film was that two dogs sniffed 'death' in the apartment, this cadaver smell is apparently still strong on things that have been washed several times so I would imagine that doctors dealing with dead people would smell of it and so would their clothing shoes etc.

I don't know if you're a parent but there is no way a loving parent could cover up the death of a child, you would simply be too distraught.
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Watch all six parts. It's presented by those who actually worked on the case.

Again, feel free to give it a watch, so that we can have a proper discussion on it.
 
I just watched the one posted, I will watch the rest.<br /><br />-- Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:34 pm --<br /><br />I've watched them all now, its hardly objective (to put it mildly). Their final hypothesis shows that maddy may have heard her father talking outside and climbed up to the window ledge and slipped, which would explain the blood trace and cadaver smell behind the sofa, except it wouldn't as the cadaver smell is only apparent after several hours of death. It also keeps mentioning that a witness saw the father running towards the sea carrying a child, did he then carry her back and put the body in his car?

None of it makes any sense whatsoever, why would any of the group lie to cover up?
Nobody would lie to cover up the death of a child to cover up for a family member let alone a friend.

The whole programme just stinks of bitterness by people who worked on the case, and failed.
 
I watched the series too and I must admit that it is somewhat biased. I do feel that some of the evidence, in particular the DNA and sniffer dog evidence supports something other than the abduction hypothesis. However Amarals alternative version, i.e. Maddy slipping and bleeding out behind the sofa presents more questions and holes than the abduction hypothesis. If the kid was killed in the room I would think that it must have been earlier in the day, simply to allow sufficient time to clean down the scene. This then does not explain the 'sightings' of Gerry carrying her towards the beach late in the evening. If I was pushed to make a call, based on the evidence in the documentary clips alone, I think I woudl be unable to reach a valid conclusion. Poor kid, I just hope she is alive and well.
 
wayne71 said:
I just watched the one posted, I will watch the rest.

-- Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:34 pm --

I've watched them all now, its hardly objective (to put it mildly). Their final hypothesis shows that maddy may have heard her father talking outside and climbed up to the window ledge and slipped, which would explain the blood trace and cadaver smell behind the sofa, except it wouldn't as the cadaver smell is only apparent after several hours of death. It also keeps mentioning that a witness saw the father running towards the sea carrying a child, did he then carry her back and put the body in his car?

None of it makes any sense whatsoever, why would any of the group lie to cover up?
Nobody would lie to cover up the death of a child to cover up for a family member let alone a friend.

The whole programme just stinks of bitterness by people who worked on the case, and failed.
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Darn...I think some of it went right over your head. You think these people are stupid?

The smell of the body was there because at some point it would have been placed there. It's never at all mentioned that the smell is behind the couch because of the moment she fell.

You're looking over the evidence of how it was pretty much impossible to get the child out of the window. How Kate McCanns fingerprints were the only ones on the window.

How the dogs went to every single room of the friends and family and only reacted in the McCanns. How the dogs went to numerous cars and only reacted to the boot of the McCanns car.

How the McCanns kept the same car boot open day and night, as if to 'air it out'

How the family friend changed her story so much it became completely different.

How the way they travelled to the appartment makes no sense at all.

How the exact DNA evidence used was recently used to convict a parent in the US of killing her own daughter.

How The Times lied about the DNA samples not matching Maddie, in order to swear the case.

It's really odd how you think it makes no sense since it's obviously the McCanns story which makes no sense at all. But then I'm just going off the actual and real evidence and not because 'someone just wouldn't lie about that'.

People talk about the video not being objective, these are the police ffs, they go off the actual evidence of the case. It should finally be noted that it was not only the portugese police which thought the McCann story was bollocks, but the British police as well.
 
I don't really have a constructive opinion on this as I haven't reviewed the evidence available but I noticed a few people talking about lie detectors.

Absolutely no way, if I were in the McCann's position and I were innocent, would I undergo a lie detector. Polygraphs have been shown to be accurate, at best, in 96% of cases.

That 4% may as well be a gaping chasm. That's one in twenty five questions in a range of environments judged incorrectly. Say you were innocent, even if you went in all "I have nothing to hide" the lie detector may say you were lying.

Then what?

No there's a reason they don't use them in a court of law and they are only the domain of entertainment shows. To use one in these circumstances would be wrong and could lead to the victimisation of an innocent person.
 
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