Madeleine McCann

[ballinio]

I guess because some people like to smoke and some find that sweets make their kids happy.

Giving kids sweets & smoking near them is just like going out with your pals while leaving 3 small children alone in an apartment in a foreign country with the door open .
Words fail me & please don’t respond as I struggle dealing with the mentally deranged.

 

[Fame Monster]

Gerry confirms in the documentary that he’s “not particularly religious” when they’re attending one of the gatherings at the Portuguese church. Not sure on Kate but he’s definitely not devout.

Yeah but if he's just found out he's not her dad...

 

[Ban-jani]

Well that clears that up then.

No it doesn’t.

The documentary had a different view - they showed what they could see and it showed the apartment and part of the front door.

I’m not saying either is right - I’m just saying that image doesn’t clear it up.

 

[Cityfan]

Giving kids sweets & smoking near them is just like going out with your pals while leaving 3 small children alone in an apartment in a foreign country with the door open .
Words fail me & please don’t respond as I struggle dealing with the mentally deranged.

Its not the same but it's probably more dangerous for them.

 

[Machiavelli]

Yeah but if he's just found out he's not her dad...

You said “rumours Gerry wasn’t her Dad”, where would Gerry have heard these rumours?
I’ve obviously heard of the IVF/Gerry not Maddie’s Dad but it will never be confirmed either way. Surely it would’ve taken a sperm donor rather than IVF for Kate to conceive a child that wasn’t Gerry’s! IVF can make you pregnant with another man’s child so Gerry would’ve known.

 

[route46]

For the person suggesting the parents could clearly see if someone entered or left the apartment, how was Maddie snatched??

 

[2sheikhs]

The one from the documentary had them being able to view the apartment through the plastic window.

Have you ever stood in a room when it's dark outside and turned the light on in the room? The window creates a mirror effect. The only thing visible is an exterior light stronger than your room light.

 

[Fame Monster]

You said “rumours Gerry wasn’t her Dad”, where would Gerry have heard these rumours?
I’ve obviously heard of the IVF/Gerry not Maddie’s Dad but it will never be confirmed either way. Surely it would’ve taken a sperm donor rather than IVF for Kate to conceive a child that wasn’t Gerry’s! IVF can make you pregnant with another man’s child so Gerry would’ve known.

It could have been either one he was unhappy with. Either way, it seemed he was deeply unhappy with Madeline, shown by his cold, dispassionate reaction to her 'disappearance'. Rumour had it she was a handful and when the Calpol could no longer control her, they decided to fly her off to Portugal.

 

[Machiavelli]

No it doesn’t.

The documentary had a different view - they showed what they could see and it showed the apartment and part of the front door.

I’m not saying either is right - I’m just saying that image doesn’t clear it up.

They couldn’t see, if they could they would’ve seen her being taken.
It’s not as if they would’ve been constantly looking towards the complex without taking their eyes off the apartment - they were eating, drinking and socialising with their group of friends. They weren’t doing a stakeout.
If you believe someone took her you have to admit just being able “to see” part of the apartment (one of the unlocked doors was on the opposite side of the apartment - they definitely could not see that door and that’s also admitted on the documentary) wasn’t good enough because someone went in (1 missed sighting) and came back out with Madeline (2 missed sightings). They didn’t even see 1 of 2 the sightings and missed 2 potential opportunities when they could’ve seen and done something.

 

[Ban-jani]

Have you ever stood in a room when it's dark outside and turned the light on in the room? The window creates a mirror effect. The only thing visible is an exterior light stronger than your room light.

Haha

They showed their view at night. It wasn’t glass, it was a plastic window as well, which doesn’t create the same level of reflection.

 

[Ban-jani]

They couldn’t see, if they could they would’ve seen her being taken.
It’s not as if they would’ve been constantly looking towards the complex without taking their eyes off the apartment - they were eating, drinking and socialising with their group of friends. They weren’t doing a stakeout.
If you believe someone took her you have to admit just being able “to see” part of the apartment (one of the unlocked doors was on the opposite side of the apartment - they definitely could not see that door and that’s also admitted on the documentary) wasn’t good enough because someone went in (1 missed sighting) and came back out with Madeline (2 missed sightings). They didn’t even see 1 of 2 the sightings and missed 2 potential opportunities when they could’ve seen and done something.

They couldn’t see the road or the window to the room - which was climbed through to take the child.

I’m not disputing any of that. I’m disputing that they could see the apartment from where they were sat.

 

[The blue phantom]

It could have been either one he was unhappy with. Either way, it seemed he was deeply unhappy with Madeline, shown by his cold, dispassionate reaction to her 'disappearance'. Rumour had it she was a handful and when the Calpol could no longer control her, they decided to fly her off to Portugal.

All through this thread you come up with different scenarios, then it's, I've been told, rumour as it, etc etc.

So point one, Where have you heard he was deeply unhappy with his daughter Madeline, Number two, Where have you got the info from that Madeline was a handful?

 

[Machiavelli]

It could have been either one he was unhappy with. Either way, it seemed he was deeply unhappy with Madeline, shown by his cold, dispassionate reaction to her 'disappearance'. Rumour had it she was a handful and when the Calpol could no longer control her, they decided to fly her off to Portugal.

Surely the “snatched by the paedos operating in the area” theory is easier to accept?

 

[2sheikhs]

Haha

They showed their view at night. It wasn’t glass, it was a plastic window as well, which doesn’t create the same level of reflection.

They were having the fucking meal at night!!!
And yes, it does have the same effect whether it's glass,perspex or plastic.
What is it with you that you're prepared to defy science in order to defend these people?

 

[Machiavelli]

They couldn’t see the road or the window to the room - which was climbed through to take the child.

I’m not disputing any of that. I’m disputing that they could see the apartment from where they were sat.

They missed 2 opportunities to see someone entering/leaving.
If you want folk to agree they could see some of the apartment I think most will.
You will never get folk to agree they could see all of the entry/egress points to/from the apartment and that they were sat constantly watching those points without taking their eyes off the apartment because they couldn’t and they didn’t.

 

[Ban-jani]

They were having the fucking meal at night!!!
And yes, it does have the same effect whether it's glass,perspex or plastic.
What is it with you that you're prepared to defy science in order to defend these people?

Glass and plastic doesn’t have the same reflective ability at night, that isn’t defying science.

I don’t know either of them, the story doesn’t affect me, it’s just that I think the usual “lock ‘em up for neglect” arguments are ridiculous.

 

[route46]

They couldn’t see the road or the window to the room - which was climbed through to take the child.

I’m not disputing any of that. I’m disputing that they could see the apartment from where they were sat.

Seriously u want us to believe some intruder was pissing about going in and out of a window with a child rather then take the unlocked patio?

 

[Machiavelli]

All through this thread you come up with different scenarios, then it's, I've been told, rumour as it, etc etc.

So point one, Where have you heard he was deeply unhappy with his daughter Madeline, Number two, Where have you got the info from that Madeline was a handful?

 

[route46]

Glass and plastic doesn’t have the same reflective ability at night, that isn’t defying science.

I don’t know either of them, the story doesn’t affect me, it’s just that I think the usual “lock ‘em up for neglect” arguments are ridiculous.

Do you think they would have been treated differently if it was jobless Gavin and Stacey off a council estate?

 

[Machiavelli]

Seriously u want us to believe some intruder was pissing about going in and out of a window with a child rather then take the unlocked patio?

Only Kate’s fingerprints were found on the window. Not even any glove marks from someone wearing gloves to prevent their prints being detected. That’s from the copper who wrote the book against the McCanns and he tells us this in the documentary.