Madeleine McCann

[DrBlueBob]

there's been plenty of cases where people leave their kids in a car at a casino or shopping centre, not much difference really. certainly not good parenting but tends not to be considered gross neglect

So long as you leave the windows open a crack.

 

[DrBlueBob]

I am - sort of!

I hope you caught them.

 

[M18CTID]

Just finished the doc. I don’t get the Tanner sighting and the subsequent coming forward of the guy who says it was probably him.

This happened 3 years after the likely abduction. How does that happen? One of the biggest cases of its type. You were a UK citizen holidaying there with a child of a similar age using the hotel crèche. And it takes 3 years to rule the sighting as innocent.

Yeah, I've mentioned exactly this a couple of times on the thread. Wasn't it more like 6 years after the event as well? She went missing in May 2007 and it wasn't until the Crimewatch programme in Autumn 2013 that the Met confirmed the guy had come forward.

I put up a link earlier in the thread about the Tanner "sighting" and the guy supposedly coming forward years later. Granted, it was from one of the many amateur sleuths but it doesn't result in necessarily pointing fingers at the McCanns and Tanner. It explains why, with the layout of the apartments, creche, etc, why it makes little sense for "Tannerman" and a holidaymaker to be taking his child home from the night creche to be one and the same person.

The conclusion this person draws is that the Crimewatch programme and the explanation given re the Tanner sighting was a fishing expedition by the Met

 

[Dr.Faustus]

Your new mate is very good at sitting on the fence.

I’ve got his number.

Sometimes life is very black and white. For the final time on this thread I’m going to say this and then I’m done with you.

What they did was negligent. You don’t leave your kids unattended, out of view, in an unlocked apartment. Society says you don’t do that and that’s the fucking end of it.

If you think that’s ok then just fucking wow.

God help you man.

That’s me out with you. Cheers.

If I am the target of that caustic tone, I fear you are about to dial a disconnected line. I know you are keen to help, so let me help you understand my position, espoused many times on this thread. I do not believe they were in any way involved with the disappearance of their daughter. I do believe they were negligent in their duty of care towards their children (all of them- regardless of the consequential outcome of each) given full consideration of the facts surrounding the case. On this I think we agree. I don't believe retributive punishment for those actions serves any purpose and that is no reflection of their employment or perceived class. I have not sat on any fence.

I would contend that most debates, including this one, are not binary. I would further add that I have complete contempt for the view that the popular inclination of society at a particular point in time can be an arbiter of the reasons someone ought to act in a particular way; with this type of relativism any action can be justified. Their actions, I believe, were in breach of their duty of care to their children- but not because 'society says' so.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I hope you caught them.

Sometimes, but not usually. Goes with the territory, I’m afraid :-/

 

[DrBlueBob]

Sometimes, but not usually. Goes with the territory, I’m afraid :-/

Hence your recent I claim my £10 spree.

 

[tonea2003]

If I am the target of that caustic tone, I fear you are about to dial a disconnected line. I know you are keen to help, so let me help you understand my position, espoused many times on this thread. I do not believe they were in any way involved with the disappearance of their daughter. I do believe they were negligent in their duty of care towards their children (all of them- regardless of the consequential outcome of each) given full consideration of the facts surrounding the case. On this I think we agree. I don't believe retributive punishment for those actions serves any purpose and that is no reflection of their employment or perceived class. I have not sat on any fence.

I would contend that most debates, including this one, are not binary. I would further add that I have complete contempt for the view that the popular inclination of society at a particular point in time can be an arbiter of the reasons someone ought to act in a particular way; with this type of relativism any action can be justified. Their actions, I believe, were in breach of their duty of care to their children- but not because 'society says' so.

good post mate, pretty much agree with what you say, i would say though that all possible options are still open to debate as to what actually happened

what is without doubt is poor madeline has been without her parents ever since, that is the tragedy, i say it like that because until she is found we just don't know

 

[Dr.Faustus]

good post mate, pretty much agree with what you say, i would say though that all possible options are still open to debate as to what actually happened

what is without doubt is poor madeline has been without her parents ever since, that is the tragedy, i say it like that because until she is found we just don't know

In this post, I was only stating what I believe in response to the poster that inferred I had sat on the fence- I do hope it wasn't taken as an attempt to shut down debate on the circumstances of the case.

 

[tonea2003]

In this post, I was only stating what I believe in response to the poster that inferred I had sat on the fence- I do hope it wasn't taken as an attempt to shut down debate on the circumstances of the case.

wasn't taken like that mate, i was only making the point all options are open until such time madeline is found or some new compelling evidence is brought to light.

your opinion is your opinion, i certainly wasn't trying to shut it down

 

[Fame Monster]

I doubt any abductor would have expected that the parents would end up getting blamed, so why not take all 3?

I think you'd have to be an octopus to carry all 3.

 

[DrBlueBob]

I think you'd have to be an octopus to carry all 3.

Some of your theories have been a touch outlandish but I think this latest supposition tops the lot.

 

[Fame Monster]

Some of your theories have been a touch outlandish but I think this latest supposition tops the lot.

Jane Tanner did say he had an oval face, she just never said how many arms he had.

 

[Stoned Rose]

I just would have thought that, if they were abducted, blonde haired and blue eyed twins would have been an opportunity they would have taken dependent on what their purposes are (to traffic or whatever).

A good point mate.

I would imagine blonde blue eyed twins would be quite a coup in trafficking or pedo circles. Quite possibly a ‘must win game’ for those of such inclination, particularly if the opportunity helpfully unfolds in front of you in a lovely safe little place like that?

 

[Stoned Rose]

Jane Tanner did say he had an oval face, she just never said how many arms he had.

I await Banjani wading in and telling us the exact length of each of the octopus’ legs. Because that’s just so important.

 

[BlueTG]

A good point mate.

I would imagine blonde blue eyed twins would be quite a coup in trafficking or pedo circles. Quite possibly a ‘must win game’ for those of such inclination, particularly if the opportunity helpfully unfolds in front of you in a lovely safe little place like that?

It’s always puzzled me, and it’s one of the reasons I believe that one of the parents knows something more than they’re letting on.

 

[LWashington]

I think you'd have to be an octopus to carry all 3.

Paul the Octopus wasn't born until 2008 so you can eliminate him.

 

[LWashington]

Jane Tanner did say he had an oval face, she just never said how many arms he had.

Four, and four legs. If he had four legs that could well explain her confusion as to which direction he was walking.

 

[The blue phantom]

Some of your theories have been a touch outlandish but I think this latest supposition tops the lot.

Lol, I'm glad it wasn't just me who thought this.

 

[DrBlueBob]

Lol, I'm glad it wasn't just me who thought this.

Reminds me of a Gary Larson cartoon. Woman in an apartment talking to a sheepish looking giant squid: The Brown's say that a giant squid tentacle just slithered across the hall and snatched their dog, I rang the Molloys but they say their giant squid is at the park.

 

[Proy]

If I am the target of that caustic tone, I fear you are about to dial a disconnected line. I know you are keen to help, so let me help you understand my position, espoused many times on this thread. I do not believe they were in any way involved with the disappearance of their daughter. I do believe they were negligent in their duty of care towards their children (all of them- regardless of the consequential outcome of each) given full consideration of the facts surrounding the case. On this I think we agree. I don't believe retributive punishment for those actions serves any purpose and that is no reflection of their employment or perceived class. I have not sat on any fence.

I would contend that most debates, including this one, are not binary. I would further add that I have complete contempt for the view that the popular inclination of society at a particular point in time can be an arbiter of the reasons someone ought to act in a particular way; with this type of relativism any action can be justified. Their actions, I believe, were in breach of their duty of care to their children- but not because 'society says' so.

Dial a disconnected line, do you work for BT? Speak English man.

Sometimes what society says is absolutely right. Please don't muddy the waters by generalizing, because sometimes what society says is wrong. I absolutely accept that.

However on this occasion its absolutely not and so should be listened to.

99% of people find fault in the way they handled that night, unfortunately we have 2 posters on here who fall in to the remaining percentage and that's making it a challenge to put the point out.

There is no grey in whether or not they should have left their kids alone because the ultimate fucking result is they are now a child short.

Quite the price to pay but I'm afraid that's what happens when you are completely neglectful in your duty as a parent.