Madeleine McCann

Dubai Blue said:
Surely the question is how you know it was her blood?
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Swabs from the car were sent to the Birmingham forensic laboratory after British sniffer dogs detected a scent in the boot during the brief time that it was in police possession.
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The couple in front of the vehicle before Kate went in to be questioned by police
And since the car was handed back to the family, results from the laboratory have indicated that a trace of Madeleine's blood had been left in the boot.

unless that has now been debunked
 
tonea2003 said:
Swabs from the car were sent to the Birmingham forensic laboratory after British sniffer dogs detected a scent in the boot during the brief time that it was in police possession.
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The couple in front of the vehicle before Kate went in to be questioned by police
And since the car was handed back to the family, results from the laboratory have indicated that a trace of Madeleine's blood had been left in the boot.

unless that has now been debunked
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"New tests carried out at the Forensic Science Service laboratory in Birmingham show there is a 'moderate' chance that the blood belonged to Madeleine. But the results are inconclusive."

Madeleine: Bloody footprint found in McCanns' apartment

A bloody footprint was found in Kate and Gerry McCann's apartment, matching a print on their hire car, according to a forensic report shown to The Mail on Sunday.
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tonea2003 said:
Swabs from the car were sent to the Birmingham forensic laboratory after British sniffer dogs detected a scent in the boot during the brief time that it was in police possession.
Scroll down for more
The couple in front of the vehicle before Kate went in to be questioned by police
And since the car was handed back to the family, results from the laboratory have indicated that a trace of Madeleine's blood had been left in the boot.

unless that has now been debunked
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This is where the very dubious journalism comes in.

The police files have records of interviews where it was put to the mccanns that there was blood and dna in the car.

This was not really true. There was blood but not anything sufficient to match to any person. So probably a small amount and not really providing any meaningful evidence. Could of been anyones blood from any time.

There was separately dna found but it was partial. Basically her family had been using the car so you would expect to see some matches as the family all have the same mix of dna. This is not a match, and even if it was you can't rule out contamination. Its not evidence that would ever go to court but a slightly dodgy police detective might use it to pile on some pressure.

Those interview tapes were then used to suggest that there was blood and dna in the car. Its not false its just not categorically maddies and that fact was ignored.
 
Dubai Blue said:
"New tests carried out at the Forensic Science Service laboratory in Birmingham show there is a 'moderate' chance that the blood belonged to Madeleine. But the results are inconclusive."

Madeleine: Bloody footprint found in McCanns' apartment

A bloody footprint was found in Kate and Gerry McCann's apartment, matching a print on their hire car, according to a forensic report shown to The Mail on Sunday.
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk
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so can't be dismissed
 
Gareth Barry Conlon said:
This is where the very dubious journalism comes in.

The police files have records of interviews where it was put to the mccanns that there was blood and dna in the car.

This was not really true. There was blood but not anything sufficient to match to any person. So probably a small amount and not really providing any meaningful evidence. Could of been anyones blood from any time.

There was separately dna found but it was partial. Basically her family had been using the car so you would expect to see some matches as the family all have the same mix of dna. This is not a match, and even if it was you can't rule out contamination. Its not evidence that would ever go to court but a slightly dodgy police detective might use it to pile on some pressure.

Those interview tapes were then used to suggest that there was blood and dna in the car. Its not false its just not categorically maddies and that fact was ignored.
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but possible it was madeline's, nothing admissible of course but can't be totally dismissed
an open mind has to remain
 
tonea2003 said:
so can't be dismissed
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Results are rated on an eight-point scale: no scientific evidence, limited, moderate, moderately strong, strong, very strong, extremely strong and conclusive.

From an evidential point of view, "moderate" may as well translate into "completely irrelevant," especially when numerous other people (including very close family members) had travelled in the car.
 
tonea2003 said:
but possible it was madeline's, nothing admissible of course but can't be totally dismissed
an open mind has to remain
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In terms of evidence it has almost zero value.

Open mind yes, but then you have to go back to the timeline and the plausibility of their involvement. Did they sit down for tapas having just killed their daughter* and hidden her body? And whatever effort to hide the body was not seen by anyone else, in broad daylight, early evening, no car or means of transport so you have to carry the body through a tourist resort. And the body not found in the days after with search teams everywhere. And then they go and hire a car and move the body? With searches still ongoing?

Not even the great Hercule Poirot would believe a story like that.

*You have to assume accidentally as if it was deliberate there is no way you come up with this crazy plan. And either way why would you not wait until morning to raise the alarm and claim the abduction was in the night?
 
Gareth Barry Conlon said:
In terms of evidence it has almost zero value.

Open mind yes, but then you have to go back to the timeline and the plausibility of their involvement. Did they sit down for tapas having just killed their daughter* and hidden her body? And whatever effort to hide the body was not seen by anyone else, in broad daylight, early evening, no car or means of transport so you have to carry the body through a tourist resort. And the body not found in the days after with search teams everywhere. And then they go and hire a car and move the body? With searches still ongoing?

Not even the great Hercule Poirot would believe a story like that.

*You have to assume accidentally as if it was deliberate there is no way you come up with this crazy plan. And either way why would you not wait until morning to raise the alarm and claim the abduction was in the night?
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If they were in any way guilty the UK police would have known and nailed them in an hour.
 
Dubai Blue said:
Results are rated on an eight-point scale: no scientific evidence, limited, moderate, moderately strong, strong, very strong, extremely strong and conclusive.

From an evidential point of view, "moderate" may as well translate into "completely irrelevant," especially when numerous other people (including very close family members) had travelled in the car.
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its somebody's blood is all i'm saying and that includes madeline
 
Gareth Barry Conlon said:
In terms of evidence it has almost zero value.

Open mind yes, but then you have to go back to the timeline and the plausibility of their involvement. Did they sit down for tapas having just killed their daughter* and hidden her body? And whatever effort to hide the body was not seen by anyone else, in broad daylight, early evening, no car or means of transport so you have to carry the body through a tourist resort. And the body not found in the days after with search teams everywhere. And then they go and hire a car and move the body? With searches still ongoing?

Not even the great Hercule Poirot would believe a story like that.

*You have to assume accidentally as if it was deliberate there is no way you come up with this crazy plan. And either way why would you not wait until morning to raise the alarm and claim the abduction was in the night?
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i've already said its inadmissable
somebody has done just that without anybody seeing in broad daylight , early evening etc
 
We've all, me included, been guilty of speculating on this for years but we still have no clear idea of what really happened. It's a bit like the KFAs who pronounce that "we know you're guilty of the 115 charges" without any appreciation of the actual facts.

The only indisputable fact in Madeleine's case is that she disappeared from the villa she was sleeping in, unsupervised, one evening. As others have pointed out, the behaviour of the McCanns and their friends invited suspicion but that, and the rest, involves ifs, buts and maybes.

My personal view was that on the balance of probabilities, based on their behaviour once they reported her missing, that the McCanns played some part in their daughter's death, either indirectly, via their negligence, or directly, via drugging her to ensure she slept and then something happening to cause her death. But it may be that behaviour was down to self-preservation rather than obfuscation of a potential crime.

Only they know the truth of whether they did directly contribute to her death or not and that's something they'll have to live with.
 
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