Madeleine McCann

[Tuearts right boot]

Am I correct but if there is no body then there is technically no crime

No,you are not correct.
And,for someone who was claiming that he knew all about the Portuguese legal system just a few pages back,your ignorance is laughable.

When you've finished pissing yourself laughing and if you read BB2.0 quote properly he doesn't mention Portugese courts,but foriegn courts in general.I've currently won an appear against a Spanish copper and yet with 4 counts of wrong evidence stacked against him it looks like we will still have to pay.Even our solicitor admits that the police and judges are seriously under qualified.In a case like this that alone is scary.
BTW,Thanks for answering question.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Am I correct but if there is no body then there is technically no crime

No,you are not correct.
And,for someone who was claiming that he knew all about the Portuguese legal system just a few pages back,your ignorance is laughable.

When you've finished pissing yourself laughing and if you read BB2.0 quote properly he doesn't mention Portugese courts,but foriegn courts in general.I've currently won an appear against a Spanish copper and yet with 4 counts of wrong evidence stacked against him it looks like we will still have to pay.Even our solicitor admits that the police and judges are seriously under qualified.In a case like this that alone is scary.
BTW,Thanks for answering question.

Last time I glanced at an atlas,Portugal was in Europe,therefore within your remit as legal expert on johnny foreigner.
And Portugal is kinda relevant to this thread,as that was where Maddie was abducted/killed/lost/drugged,(delete as appropriate).
Well done you for winning an appeal against the Spanish police force.
It has a massive bearing on the McCann case.

 

[M18CTID]

Fortunately, the law has moved on since the 1950s. I'm no legal expert but I know enough to say that that definitely isn't enough for them to be charged and for the CPS to think that it has a realistic chance of securing a conviction. Any defence counsel worth his salt would blow holes in that 'evidence', establishing much more than 'reasonable doubt' in the prosecution's version of events.

All of that stuff could help secure a conviction as supporting evidence to something a lot more concrete, but on its own it's pretty much worthless.

DB, you just know i will disagree, lol.

The main evidence the CPS would go on is the sighting made by the Smith family. They have witnesses stating that Mr McCann was carrying a small girl fitting the description of Maddie around the time the McCann's claimed that Maddie had been taken.
The fact they have cadaver links in the appartment and the hire car helps tie the case together,. The cuddly toy is crucial, as it shows Maddie was dead before she left the appartment. Who would take a dead child?
Im not sure if the blood staines on Kate's top was DNA checked to Maddie, but if so, there is some more evidence too.
The fact Kate McCann refused to answer questions says to me she could be broken down on the stand quite easily.

Unfortunately we will never know the truth, but it is compelling when you tie everything together.

She probably wouldn't even take the stand for that very reason. Remember, she doesn't have to prove her innocence.

And the CPS definitely wouldn't centre their prosecution around the supposed identification of Gerry McCann. Ironically, I'm currently reading 'Defending the Guilty - Truth and Lies in the Criminal Courtroom' by Alex McBride and one chapter deals with the flaws in relying too much on positive identifications to secure a prosecution. Basically, he says that they are far too unreliable to form the basis of a coherent and compelling prosecution as mistakes are all too common. He refers to the case of a well-known Australian criminal psychologist who was arrested on suspicion of rape when he walked into a police station to visit a client. He fitted the description given by the victim and she later identified him in a parade. It turns out that he was actually speaking on TV as she was being raped and she had psychologically linked him to being the perpetrator. He also references the case of an alleged conman who was wrongly identified by more than 20 different people.

Basically, positive IDs are now worth very little if they are not backed up by more concrete evidence, and they certainly don't form the basis of a case.

Can't argue with any of that. However, I'd be interested to know how seriously the evidence of the cadaver dog would be taken when, according to Ricster, that particular dog had been right in 300 cases out of 300. That's surely got to count for something?

And while I too am no legal expert, I'm sure there have been high-profile cases that have reached prosecution stage with less evidence than in this case. Colin Stagg is one that immediately springs to mind - much of that was based around the honey-trap (where he did nothing whatsoever to implicate himself with regards to the murder of Rachel Nickell) and the advice of a criminal psychologist, neither of which came close to being compelling.

 

[brooklandsblue2.0]

No,you are not correct.
And,for someone who was claiming that he knew all about the Portuguese legal system just a few pages back,your ignorance is laughable.

When you've finished pissing yourself laughing and if you read BB2.0 quote properly he doesn't mention Portugese courts,but foriegn courts in general.I've currently won an appear against a Spanish copper and yet with 4 counts of wrong evidence stacked against him it looks like we will still have to pay.Even our solicitor admits that the police and judges are seriously under qualified.In a case like this that alone is scary.
BTW,Thanks for answering question.

Last time I glanced at an atlas,Portugal was in Europe,therefore within your remit as legal expert on johnny foreigner.
And Portugal is kinda relevant to this thread,as that was where Maddie was abducted/killed/lost/drugged,(delete as appropriate).
Well done you for winning an appeal against the Spanish police force.
It has a massive bearing on the McCann case.

Does any respect, like or even listen to this chubby loser anymore? You talk utter rot and it's beyond boring now. Why don't you focus your efforts on losing some flab, you're seriously putting your health at risk.

 

[Soulboy]

When you've finished pissing yourself laughing and if you read BB2.0 quote properly he doesn't mention Portugese courts,but foriegn courts in general.I've currently won an appear against a Spanish copper and yet with 4 counts of wrong evidence stacked against him it looks like we will still have to pay.Even our solicitor admits that the police and judges are seriously under qualified.In a case like this that alone is scary.
BTW,Thanks for answering question.

Last time I glanced at an atlas,Portugal was in Europe,therefore within your remit as legal expert on johnny foreigner.
And Portugal is kinda relevant to this thread,as that was where Maddie was abducted/killed/lost/drugged,(delete as appropriate).
Well done you for winning an appeal against the Spanish police force.
It has a massive bearing on the McCann case.

Does any respect, like or even listen to this chubby loser anymore? You talk utter rot and it's beyond boring now. Why don't you focus your efforts on losing some flab, you're seriously putting your health at risk.

I love him. He's inspirational to me.

How someone can keep up his anger levels to such an extent, day in, day out, every thread, every post... absolute rage.

It's brilliant to sit back and watch an expert in action.

Having suffered from stress in the past, I realise I was but a novice in comparison.
;-))

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Last time I glanced at an atlas,Portugal was in Europe,therefore within your remit as legal expert on johnny foreigner.
And Portugal is kinda relevant to this thread,as that was where Maddie was abducted/killed/lost/drugged,(delete as appropriate).
Well done you for winning an appeal against the Spanish police force.
It has a massive bearing on the McCann case.

Does any respect, like or even listen to this chubby loser anymore? You talk utter rot and it's beyond boring now. Why don't you focus your efforts on losing some flab, you're seriously putting your health at risk.

I love him. He's inspirational to me.

How someone can keep up his anger levels to such an extent, day in, day out, every thread, every post... absolute rage.

It's brilliant to sit back and watch an expert in action.

Having suffered from stress in the past, I realise I was but a novice in comparison.
;-))

He's a bit touchy on this subject. Should we ask him to account for his movements on May 3rd 2007?

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

When you've finished pissing yourself laughing and if you read BB2.0 quote properly he doesn't mention Portugese courts,but foriegn courts in general.I've currently won an appear against a Spanish copper and yet with 4 counts of wrong evidence stacked against him it looks like we will still have to pay.Even our solicitor admits that the police and judges are seriously under qualified.In a case like this that alone is scary.
BTW,Thanks for answering question.

Last time I glanced at an atlas,Portugal was in Europe,therefore within your remit as legal expert on johnny foreigner.
And Portugal is kinda relevant to this thread,as that was where Maddie was abducted/killed/lost/drugged,(delete as appropriate).
Well done you for winning an appeal against the Spanish police force.
It has a massive bearing on the McCann case.

Does any respect, like or even listen to this chubby loser anymore? You talk utter rot and it's beyond boring now. Why don't you focus your efforts on losing some flab, you're seriously putting your health at risk.

I can lose weight.
You,however,will always be ginger and stupid.

 

[1.618034]

LOL

Very Churchillian!

 

[BlueHammer85]

alot of people are DESPERATE for the McCann's to be guilty, so they will believe any bullshit conspiracy theory when really they dont have a clue what happened.

 

[M18CTID]

alot of people are DESPERATE for the McCann's to be guilty, so they will believe any bullshit conspiracy theory when really they dont have a clue what happened.

I'd call it anything but a conspiracy theory because there are plenty of pieces of evidence - much of it admittedly circumstantial - that when put together make quite a compelling case against the McCanns. Of course, if you want to accuse a sniffer dog with a 100% success rate of lying then that's up to you ;)

 

[BlueHammer85]

alot of people are DESPERATE for the McCann's to be guilty, so they will believe any bullshit conspiracy theory when really they dont have a clue what happened.

I'd call it anything but a conspiracy theory because there are plenty of pieces of evidence - much of it admittedly circumstantial - that when put together make quite a compelling case against the McCanns. Of course, if you want to accuse a sniffer dog with a 100% success rate of lying then that's up to you ;)

well in that case ... why haven't they been arrested ?

 

[M18CTID]

alot of people are DESPERATE for the McCann's to be guilty, so they will believe any bullshit conspiracy theory when really they dont have a clue what happened.

I'd call it anything but a conspiracy theory because there are plenty of pieces of evidence - much of it admittedly circumstantial - that when put together make quite a compelling case against the McCanns. Of course, if you want to accuse a sniffer dog with a 100% success rate of lying then that's up to you ;)

well in that case ... why haven't they been arrested ?

Who knows? Personally, I don't know whether Portuguese law counts that as enough evidence in its own right to push through a prosecution. Besides that, I've agreed with many others that the other evidence is circumstantial but when you tot it all up it leaves the McCanns with a fair few interesting questions to answer.

I'll also add that, regardless of whether they're guilty of something or not, in all probability the Portuguese police were sick to the back teeth of the McCanns and with Kate McCann's complete refusal to answer all those questions no doubt hampering the progress of the investigation, they simply wanted them out of the country in the end. They and their spin doctors had also painted the Portuguese police force in a very bad light, not to mention that the whole saga and the way it was being so publically played out was probably having a detrimental effect on tourism in the area.

 

[glen quagmire]

Have you people actually read the whole thread?
I decided about 10 pages ago that the twats are guilty.

Case closed.
Hang em.

 

[Anonymous]

i take it then that it has been decided that it's not her?

 

[glen quagmire]

i take it then that it has been decided that it's not her?

It can't be her mate, as only gerry and kate know where the poor little thing really is...........

 

[Anonymous]

i take it then that it has been decided that it's not her?

It can't be her mate, as only gerry and kate know where the poor little thing really is...........

i never thought before they were guilty but i didnt really know that much about the case, the more i look into it the more and more i find myself thinking they have been up to something.

i was just wondering if it had been confirmed yet that it isn't her.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

i take it then that it has been decided that it's not her?

It can't be her mate, as only gerry and kate know where the poor little thing really is...........

i never thought before they were guilty but i didnt really know that much about the case, the more i look into it the more and more i find myself thinking they have been up to something.

i was just wondering if it had been confirmed yet that it isn't her.

I think that's where this thread started. The McCanns dismiised the sighting virtually out of hand.

 

[gazhinio]

Interesting reading through this thread, especially all the different opinions and theories off people on this sad story!
I have stated numerous times (on the many threads that crop up on this story) that I do not believe for one minute that the parents killed her!
Maybe I'm naive and too trustworthy to believe they had something to do with her going missing , maybe I'm not aware of all the facts regarding this case??
I still keep coming back to the same point when someone suggests they killed her......where did they hide the body and how has it not been found if they did do it?
I mean if they did kill her and hide the body, I feel they would of panicked and made a hash of hiding it!
Pure speculation i agree...just as all the other stuff is!
I do think some people do go over the top with the sniffer dog theories etc....pure fantasy imo!

 

[Anonymous]

Interesting reading through this thread, especially all the different opinions and theories off people on this sad story!
I have stated numerous times (on the many threads that crop up on this story) that I do not believe for one minute that the parents killed her!
Maybe I'm naive and too trustworthy to believe they had something to do with her going missing , maybe I'm not aware of all the facts regarding this case??
I still keep coming back to the same point when someone suggests they killed her......where did they hide the body and how has it not been found if they did do it?
I mean if they did kill her and hide the body, I feel they would of panicked and made a hash of hiding it!
Pure speculation i agree...just as all the other stuff is!
I do think some people do go over the top with the sniffer dog theories etc....pure fantasy imo!

well im not 100% on the whole case but the fact that the sniffer dog has a 100% record and picked the scent of a dead body in the house and on the boot of the car doesn't suggest pure fantasy to me.

 

[gazhinio]

Interesting reading through this thread, especially all the different opinions and theories off people on this sad story!
I have stated numerous times (on the many threads that crop up on this story) that I do not believe for one minute that the parents killed her!
Maybe I'm naive and too trustworthy to believe they had something to do with her going missing , maybe I'm not aware of all the facts regarding this case??
I still keep coming back to the same point when someone suggests they killed her......where did they hide the body and how has it not been found if they did do it?
I mean if they did kill her and hide the body, I feel they would of panicked and made a hash of hiding it!
Pure speculation i agree...just as all the other stuff is!
I do think some people do go over the top with the sniffer dog theories etc....pure fantasy imo!

well im not 100% on the whole case but the fact that the sniffer dog has a 100% record and picked the scent of a dead body in the house and on the boot of the car doesn't suggest pure fantasy to me.

Ok so my pure fantasy comment was ott, however if all this is correct and been checked out....why no arrest?