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Making a Murderer Part 2
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Dubai Blue
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I may well be completely mis-remembering Season 1 but wasn't the most shameful thing about Dassey's coerced confession that it never actually got used in Avery's prosecution, only his own?How does that work??
You can't have Dassey innocent and Avery guilty!!
They needed Dassey's statement to convict!!
Bigga
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I may well be completely mis-remembering Season 1 but wasn't the most shameful thing about Dassey's coerced confession that it never actually got used in Avery's prosecution, only his own?
Not sure why it took so long for me to remember the sequencing, so I'll offer apologies to Fame Monster. He said the same and it didn't penetrate until now and now it comes to mind(how weird!).
So, no, you're not 'mis-remembering' anything.
With that said, the Dassey statement and trial is a complete travesty and actually shows how little the police know about what happened.
Circumstance only, imo.
No murder weapon, no motive, nothing.
All coming off a proven false conviction of rape and a $36 mil lawsuit they were trying to avoid!
johnmc
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This Zellner reckons that someone close to Avery knew his finger wound had reopened so knew they could get his blood off his sink after he had gone out. But also that the police planted the Rav 4 on the salvage yard. But also that the ex boyfriend assisted them to do that.
Too many unrelated parties to square the circle.
Too many unrelated parties to square the circle.
Uncle Wally One Ball
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Too many nonsense theories more like. Hes a murdering ****
Dubai Blue
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Agree completely. What's happened to Brendan is a travesty of justice.Not sure why it took so long for me to remember the sequencing, so I'll offer apologies to Fame Monster. He said the same and it didn't penetrate until now and now it comes to mind(how weird!).
So, no, you're not 'mis-remembering' anything.
With that said, the Dassey statement and trial is a complete travesty and actually shows how little the police know about what happened.
Circumstance only, imo.
No murder weapon, no motive, nothing.
All coming off a proven false conviction of rape and a $36 mil lawsuit they were trying to avoid!
M18CTID
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Too many nonsense theories more like. Hes a murdering ****
Why you of all people can go around pointing fingers is beyond me. None of what’s being mooted on here is anywhere near as nonsensical as your Madeleine McCann theory. The one where you said it was plainly obvious to everyone what happened, despite the fact that no-one else ever appears to have come up with it. The one where you said a tourist knocked her down and drove away with the body. Despite the fact, when you consider everything we do know, that there was zero fucking evidence of that ever happening, yet you claim it’s obvious.
Fame Monster
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"Specific"??
Was the quoted message not enough...??
If you mean do I think his confession was legally obtained? I would say no. Do I think it was largely false? Yes. Can you give a false confession without being coerced? Yes. Could a reasonable person interpret Dassey’s statement as false but voluntarily given? Possibly. Was Dassey’s murder conviction a miscarriage of justice? Almost certainly yes but I would say the CD evidence has made me more suspicious of his involvement than before.
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M18CTID
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This Zellner reckons that someone close to Avery knew his finger wound had reopened so knew they could get his blood off his sink after he had gone out. But also that the police planted the Rav 4 on the salvage yard. But also that the ex boyfriend assisted them to do that.
Too many unrelated parties to square the circle.
It really doesn’t need that many people to be involved mate, and they don’t all have to be related parties either.
Think about it - they could pull Ryan Hillegas in and say “Look, we know Avery did it but we just need a bit more to build the case around him, so if you could do this one thing for us it makes it easier for everyone, including you with you being her ex-boyfriend and a possible person of interest”.
That’s all it needs - a bit of persuasiveness and a thinly veiled threat at the end. If they can coerce a confession out of Brendan Dassey, they could easily get Hillegas on board.
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Bigga
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If you mean do I think his confession was legally obtained? I would say no but I’m not an expert in U.S. law. Do I think it was largely false? Yes. Can you give a false confession without being coerced? Yes.
Good, I'm glad we're conversing.
Is there not, by definition, shaky ground upon which Avery is convicted if they've tied a wholly unreliable statement by Brendan Dassey to the case?
If you were a 'smart' cop and were following up a lead, you'd dismiss Brendan Dassey's statement as 'incoherent' thus leaving you with Avery as the 'killer'.
Job done, go home, put your feet up in smugness as the evidence(planted or not) does its job.
Maybe I just don't understand why you would complicate sh*t with the Dassey pursuit...?