Manchester’s Changing Skyline

[jrb]

St Michael's is going to look amazing when it's finished.

The fins are being covered and protected bar a couple that are still visible.

No1 St Michael's - Office - 11 fl

 

[jrb]

No2 St Michael's - Apartments & Hotel - 40 fl

I'll do a proper construction update over the Christmas period.

Not done Salford, Chapel Street, Middlewood Locks, Regent Road, Pomona, etc for a while, so I'll do them next.

 

[jrb]

Viadux 2 - 76 fl, will fill that gap. :-)

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[Churchlawtonblue]

Had the misfortune of having to walk through that chanel shit show on Saturday, streets paved with rubbish and drugged up scruffy cunts kipping on tables.

But let's build high rises for rich people to live in cheek by jowl with the homeless and the poor.

Do you really think it's all about high rise living for rich people?? I think that is a pretty myopic and incorrect opinion.

You do realise that this is all private money and it is bringing in tens of millions in revenue to the city council every year, money that they spend on services. There are also many affordable homes being built with this new incone contributing.
https://www.manchester.gov.uk/news/...omes will be,more people to become homeowners.

More new offices are being built and there is a general huge increase in inner city living which results in yet more employment through shops, restaurants and bars in the town centre?

Sure there is a terrible homeless problem, but the more money the council has to deal with it the better.
https://www.benoitproperties.com/ne... is on,the city's residential property market.

Surely this development as a whole is a good thing for Manchester?

 

[mexico1970]

Surely this development as a whole is a good thing for Manchester?
Sure there is a terrible homeless problem, but the more money the council has to deal with it the better.

No mate I don't think so at all, look at just how much money is being spent on high rises and new vanity projects and just how much filters down to the real homeless people, it amounts to nothing.

People are being shifted from the inner city by the bus full to make way for business, why should erstwhile residents be happy that they get removed for a block of steel and glass just because it brings business into an area they can't afford to eat or live in?

News Stories | Manchester City Council

Manchester City Council's latest news directory

www.manchester.gov.uk

Full breakdown of the new affordable homes:​

Rodney Street (Ancoats and Beswick) This City - £1,677,862 (38 affordable, 91 market – 129 homes)
Parkmount Road – Project 500 (Harpurhey) - MSV Housing - £467,178 - 24 affordable homes
Parkhill Avenue - Project 500 (Crumpsall) Great Places - £375,000 – 25 affordable homes
Blackwin Street – Project 500 (Gorton) One Manchester - £160,000 - 7 affordable homes
Plant Hill Road – Project 500 (Higher Blackley) Irwell Valley - £175,000 - 12 affordable homes
Jurby Avenue – Project 500 (Higher Blackley ) Irwell Valley - £215,280 - 13 affordable homes

 

[Corky]

No mate I don't think so at all, look at just how much money is being spent on high rises and new vanity projects and just how much filters down to the real homeless people, it amounts to nothing.

People are being shifted from the inner city by the bus full to make way for business, why should erstwhile residents be happy that they get removed for a block of steel and glass just because it brings business into an area they can't afford to eat or live in?

News Stories | Manchester City Council

Manchester City Council's latest news directory

www.manchester.gov.uk

Full breakdown of the new affordable homes:​

Rodney Street (Ancoats and Beswick) This City - £1,677,862 (38 affordable, 91 market – 129 homes)
Parkmount Road – Project 500 (Harpurhey) - MSV Housing - £467,178 - 24 affordable homes
Parkhill Avenue - Project 500 (Crumpsall) Great Places - £375,000 – 25 affordable homes
Blackwin Street – Project 500 (Gorton) One Manchester - £160,000 - 7 affordable homes
Plant Hill Road – Project 500 (Higher Blackley) Irwell Valley - £175,000 - 12 affordable homes
Jurby Avenue – Project 500 (Higher Blackley ) Irwell Valley - £215,280 - 13 affordable homes

MCC is useless at getting s.106 monies for Affordable Housing, most are in GM with Wigan being average.

Most affordable homes are grant funded by the Government through Homes England, and the developers are let off. Also, if you look at the the above it is likely that only the Irwell Valley ones will be Affordable or Social Rent, the others being Affordable Home Ownership tenures which don't help 99.9% of homeless households.

The brownfield funding is a viability subsidy rather than an affordable housing subsidy.

 

[mexico1970]

MCC is useless at getting s.106 monies for Affordable Housing, most are in GM with Wigan being average.

Most affordable homes are grant funded by the Government through Homes England, and the developers are let off. Also, if you look at the the above it is likely that only the Irwell Valley ones will be Affordable or Social Rent, the others being Affordable Home Ownership tenures which don't help 99.9% of homeless households.

The brownfield funding is a viability subsidy rather than an affordable housing subsidy.

Always the same mate, at least Manchester will have skyscrapers where people with enough money can eat lunch on the 17th floor away from the maddening crowds.

Why everyone seems to believe that servicing big businesses needs is more important than the person shivering on the street is beyond me.

 

[urban genie]

Do you really think it's all about high rise living for rich people?? I think that is a pretty myopic and incorrect opinion.

You do realise that this is all private money and it is bringing in tens of millions in revenue to the city council every year, money that they spend on services. There are also many affordable homes being built with this new incone contributing.
https://www.manchester.gov.uk/news/article/9038/new_housing_strategy_looks_to_deliver_10000_new_affordable_homes_in_the_next_10_years#:~:text=36,000 new homes will be,more people to become homeowners.

More new offices are being built and there is a general huge increase in inner city living which results in yet more employment through shops, restaurants and bars in the town centre?

Sure there is a terrible homeless problem, but the more money the council has to deal with it the better.
https://www.benoitproperties.com/news/manchester-growth-outpaces-that-of-other-big-six-cities/#:~:text=It seems Manchester is on,the city's residential property market.

Surely this development as a whole is a good thing for Manchester?

Concentrating the wealth on a densly populated small area which our city vwntre. is while the rest of Manchester and the satelite towns of GM are under invested in isn't good for Manchester long term imho.

We want Greater Manchester to grow, then expand this build of these things in other parts lileBolton, Ashton, oldham etc that are all delapdated andndying in their arse as small regional centers and grow a actual capital of the north to rival London.

That recent tubebmap overlay someone did recently showed how badly we under invest in Greater Manchester as an actual majob metropolitan county, whole town may thrive we let the rest plod along and deteriate.

 

[Coatigan]

Manchester is going to look like a small New York, Chicago soon, there are at least 20 big buildings between 100 and 250m tall under construction or planned for the next few years, i get my information from a site called skycrapercity which is a good informative site, but don't engage with the argumentative fanatics. on the Manchester forum, these people truly are "train spotters" the forum is totally dominated by very opinionated construction nerds.

There are many sites so we may be making completely different points irrelevant to each other. But from what I have seem, the comments there are quite reasonable and aware. With not so much of the uninformed 'old buildings good new buildings bad' throwaway cliche moaning. But as I say, we may be looking at completely different threads.

 

[Coatigan]

Love the brick work, looks a great facade for that building.

Agree. Will be interesting seeing it at scale though.

 

[balotellishaircut]

Most of the buildings under construction are just ok for me, what I wanna know is, are they going to plant more trees in the centre.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

MCC is useless at getting s.106 monies for Affordable Housing, most are in GM with Wigan being average.

Most affordable homes are grant funded by the Government through Homes England, and the developers are let off. Also, if you look at the the above it is likely that only the Irwell Valley ones will be Affordable or Social Rent, the others being Affordable Home Ownership tenures which don't help 99.9% of homeless households.

The brownfield funding is a viability subsidy rather than an affordable housing subsidy.

Utter Nonsense, I work in the industry, I know exactly where 99% of the money for Brownfield redevelopment comes from, it's private sector driven through the planning regime.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Always the same mate, at least Manchester will have skyscrapers where people with enough money can eat lunch on the 17th floor away from the maddening crowds.

Why everyone seems to believe that servicing big businesses needs is more important than the person shivering on the street is beyond me.

Where do you think the increase in the City council revenue goes exactly. Genuinely interested to know?

 

[jrb]

Most of the buildings under construction are just ok for me, what I wanna know is, are they going to plant more trees in the centre.

No! Think it's down to the tree roots damaging utilities below ground, up keep from falling leaves, etc The alternatives are pockets parks with grass and street furniture. Thankfully some private property developers are planting a few trees as part of their landscaping around their developments.

 

[balotellishaircut]

No! Think it's down to the tree roots damaging utilities below ground, up keep from falling leaves, etc The alternatives are pockets parks with grass and street furniture. Thankfully some private property developers are planting a few trees as part of their landscaping around their developments.

Fair enough @jrb keep up the good work you do week in week out, its most appreciated.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

No mate I don't think so at all, look at just how much money is being spent on high rises and new vanity projects and just how much filters down to the real homeless people, it amounts to nothing.

People are being shifted from the inner city by the bus full to make way for business, why should erstwhile residents be happy that they get removed for a block of steel and glass just because it brings business into an area they can't afford to eat or live in?

News Stories | Manchester City Council

Manchester City Council's latest news directory

www.manchester.gov.uk

Full breakdown of the new affordable homes:​

Rodney Street (Ancoats and Beswick) This City - £1,677,862 (38 affordable, 91 market – 129 homes)
Parkmount Road – Project 500 (Harpurhey) - MSV Housing - £467,178 - 24 affordable homes
Parkhill Avenue - Project 500 (Crumpsall) Great Places - £375,000 – 25 affordable homes
Blackwin Street – Project 500 (Gorton) One Manchester - £160,000 - 7 affordable homes
Plant Hill Road – Project 500 (Higher Blackley) Irwell Valley - £175,000 - 12 affordable homes
Jurby Avenue – Project 500 (Higher Blackley ) Irwell Valley - £215,280 - 13 affordable homes

I work on the initial site investigation ground survey side of some of these high rises and inner city developments, probably worked on about about 20 to 25 or so schemes in the city centre, and I can honestly say not one of them has been on a site where former residential homes have been demolished to make way. The vast majority have been derelict industrial buildings and old rough car parks. Not saying that's the case all the while, but this idea that affordable homes are being demolished left right and centre to make way for this development simply isn't true. I worked on the Quays area in the 90s. It's was acres of desolate industrial wasteland before Peel started regenerating it. Are you seriously telling me it isn't better now?

 

[mexico1970]

I work on the initial site investigation ground survey side of some of these high rises and inner city developments, probably worked on about about 20 to 25 or so schemes in the city centre, and I can honestly say not one of them has been on a site where former residential homes have been demolished to make way. The vast majority have been derelict industrial buildings and old rough car parks. Not saying that's the case all the while, but this idea that affordable homes are being demolished left right and centre to make way for this development simply isn't true. I worked on the Quays area in the 90s. It's was acres of desolate industrial wasteland before Peel started regenerating it. Are you seriously telling me it isn't better now?

It's clear what I am saying mate, this is the gentrification of Manchester and it stinks. Nobody is saying that some of the building is bad but in the main it's just benefiting the people with and not the people without.

Someone somewhere needs to redefine the definition of affordable housing. All I see in Manchester now are bars smeared with graffiti littered with people pretending to be poor in a painful parody of bohemia, all this under the backdrop of cranes and people sleeping on street corners.

Our 'brilliant' city centre is changing so fast... not everyone feels included

“It's completely different, it's like a different city every two months"

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

How gentrification and hostile architecture has pushed out the working class

Hostile design in Manchester is the harsh reality of the gentrification in our city centres and it's invisible until we learn where to look.

www.bigissue.com

 

[mexico1970]

Where do you think the increase in the City council revenue goes exactly. Genuinely interested to know?

Well it's not on increasing the number of cheap affordable housing for people living in the inner city, what I find in general is that people who make decisions for poor people would rather commission a statue or an installation citing that art is good for the soul.

Manchester is becoming MORE expensive to live in, not less and that's a very bad thing. And amongst all this squalor we have glass and steel and vanity.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Well it's not on increasing the number of cheap affordable housing for people living in the inner city, what I find in general is that people who make decisions for poor people would rather commission a statue or an installation citing that art is good for the soul.

Manchester is becoming MORE expensive to live in, not less and that's a very bad thing. And amongst all this squalor we have glass and steel and vanity.

Well I'm afraid when demand exceeds supply things become more expensive. There is no getting away from that fact.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

It's clear what I am saying mate, this is the gentrification of Manchester and it stinks. Nobody is saying that some of the building is bad but in the main it's just benefiting the people with and not the people without.

Someone somewhere needs to redefine the definition of affordable housing. All I see in Manchester now are bars smeared with graffiti littered with people pretending to be poor in a painful parody of bohemia, all this under the backdrop of cranes and people sleeping on street corners.

Our 'brilliant' city centre is changing so fast... not everyone feels included

“It's completely different, it's like a different city every two months"

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

How gentrification and hostile architecture has pushed out the working class

Hostile design in Manchester is the harsh reality of the gentrification in our city centres and it's invisible until we learn where to look.

www.bigissue.com

Clearly more could and should be done on the homeless issue, which is shameful not just for Manchester but for many northern cities.