Manchester City close on Pellegrini (merged)

[Blue Haze]

Some of you are outright rabid on naming people "inners" and "outers"

I'd have a hard time saying whether Pellegrini is an upgrade on Mancini, I'd have to watch him manage our squad for two seasons to know the answer, which is really why picking a manager is so damned difficult.

Maybe moving on from Mancini to Pellegrini is too risky, but there's a very low likelihood that anyone who has a strong opinion on the matter has really followed a team Pellegrini has coached enough to get a sense for how he would fit in our setup, side, and situation.

If you had asked me about Mancini 4 years ago, you'd have gotten a very different opinion of him from me than you'd get today. And I don't mean a different opinion of him in terms of good/bad (things are not that binary), but in terms of the things he's good at, things I'm not enamored with, etc etc.

If you put a gun to my head, personally, i'd probably lean something like 55/45 toward the idea that Bobby probably isn't the answer. He's probably too one dimensional and unable to create a team that adapts to the different styles a (now)great team like City are going to face, finding a way to win in all those situations. But how the hell can anyone know if the Pellegrini of today can do that? Is the fear of that unknown worth just trying the same thing over again and hoping it is better this time? It's a hell of a decision and one that we're paying a lot of very smart and experienced football men to ponder over. I really don't see why this has to be so vitriolic and silly labels like "inner" and "outer" applied to everyone. In my opinion there's clearly a credible case to be made for sticking with Roberto and there's clearly a credible case to be made for moving on and trying to improve. All we can do as City fans is hope to hell the people in charge get it right.

Great post. This is where I'm at right now.

Trust in Txiki, he knows more about the differences between Mancini and Pellegrini than any of us.

 

[taconinja]

Mancini has knit a chosen selection together, the rest are left out in the cold. How do you legislate for the loss of form of Dzeko?

Oh, that's easy. Dzeko is an overrated lamp post stealing a living and being propped up by fanboys that blame everyone but their darling.

Simple.

after 40+ pages of assumptions/opinions or bullshit as it is known, i'm looking forward to seeing Nips answer to this...........no opinions though Nip, only facts please.

Nip thinks wengers an upgrade.

I would just like to know how many 'outers' consider Pellegrini to be an improvement, and if they actually want him to replace Mancini, and their reasons as to exactly why.
It's a simple enough question.

I'm not sure if I am an "outer" per se, but I am on record as being worried about lack of player motivation and am also a confirmed fan of Jose Mourinho.

With that in the open, I in no way consider Pellegrini an upgrade on Mancini. At all.

Also as a general aside to the discussion in general, people keep mentioning being entertained. Want to know what's entertaining? Winning trophies. Running up and down the pitch, looking pretty, and crafting goals is great as long as your defense holds up. If it doesn't, then it isn't entertaining. Free flowing? Screw that. Attacking? Screw that.

It's about winning. If Pellegrini can't win trophies, then he needs to stay at Malaga where coming in third and winning the Wenger Cup is a successful season.

Pellegrini's appointment, were it to happen, could in fact turn out to be similar to Wenger's at Arsenal. Wenger (like Guardiola and Rijkaard) had a very modest background and just hadn't been given the resources and platform to excel. Pellegrini is very highly regarded in Spain and in fact I was reading some comments at Marca the other day with Real Madrid fans saying it was a mistake to sack him for Mourinho.

Of course they'll say that. At this point, they despise Mourinho.

 

[andyhinch]

To close before I go to the pub and then the match. I'd prefer Frank De Boer personally if we couldn't get Klopp, Jose or Ancelotti.

Come on City!!! (3-1)

So your happy with your 5th choice?

 

[taconinja]

To close before I go to the pub and then the match. I'd prefer Frank De Boer personally if we couldn't get Klopp, Jose or Ancelotti.

Come on City!!! (3-1)

So your happy with your 5th choice?

It's a matter of ego. There are a precious few who care more about their ego than City no matter how much they protest.

 

[Dribble]

Personally I don't know one City fan outside the realms of tinternet bollocks that thinks Mancini should go or even brought the subject up...can't believe the amount of pages that has been dedicated to this shite

^^^This^^^

The only folk who want Mancini gone are the usual suspects on here AND EVERY Rags I know! They can't fuckin stand Mancini because he brought an end to our 30-odd barren years of hurt and humiliation and they can't stand the fact that even though they regained the title, they know it was more down to us losing it than them winning it.

They also know that our first 11 would batter theirs 8 times out of 10 and it is only because they have a better overall squad why they can currently get anywhere near us.

Mancini is our General & whilst 95% of his troops are right behind him on the battlefield, there's 5% who wish there leader ill...... You know who you are and you should be ashamed because for me you are the enemy within!

Our club was slated for getting rid of Mark Hughes...... Where is he now?

Mancini was slated for getting rid of Dunne, Given & Ireland, but they can't even get into a team that's fighting relegation so what chance would they have stood getting into a team fighting for titles, cups and competing in the premier European competition?

Robinho, Adebayor & Bellamy have all departed and where are they now and what have they achieved since being jettisoned? Some complained about Mancini's man-management and his being blind to the aforementioned's talent, but where was the stampede for their services once they left us?

I'm just fucking glad I don't have to go into battle with some of you behind me because I think I'd have more to worry about with the usual sniping suspects than the foe in front of me........

 

[nmc]

This is getting pretty funny, all you lot tying yourselves up in angry little knots...

Off to the game now, but just out of interest Dave, would you take Pellegrini over Mancini?

If (when?) this happens I will be delighted, make no bones about that, because I do not think Mancini is the right man to take us forward. As you all know, it's an opinion I have had for a long time.

With regards to pellegrini, I will watch him week in week out and judge him on what he does with our squad and resources. From what I've heard he seems to have the right qualities: leadership and tactical ability.

So, like I do with every city manager, I will make my mind up on him based on what I see with my own two eyes.

But just to be 100% clear, I will be fucking delighted if Mancini is replaced by pellegrini. But if pellegrini fails to get the best from this squad he goes too. That's football.

Is that you Roman?

 

[Sky Blue]

Personally I don't know one City fan outside the realms of tinternet bollocks that thinks Mancini should go or even brought the subject up...can't believe the amount of pages that has been dedicated to this shite

^^^This^^^

The only folk who want Mancini gone are the usual suspects on here AND EVERY Rags I know! They can't fuckin stand Mancini because he brought an end to our 30-odd barren years of hurt and humiliation and they can't stand the fact that even though they regained the title, they know it was more down to us losing it than them winning it.

They also know that our first 11 would batter theirs 8 times out of 10 and it is only because they have a better overall squad why they can currently get anywhere near us.

Mancini is our General & whilst 95% of his troops are right behind him on the battlefield, there's 5% who wish there leader ill...... You know who you are and you should be ashamed because for me you are the enemy within!

Our club was slated for getting rid of Mark Hughes...... Where is he now?

Mancini was slated for getting rid of Dunne, Given & Ireland, but they can't even get into a team that's fighting relegation so what chance would they have stood getting into a team fighting for titles, cups and competing in the premier European competition?

Robinho, Adebayor & Bellamy have all departed and where are they now and what have they achieved since being jettisoned? Some complained about Mancini's man-management and his being blind to the aforementioned's talent, but where was the stampede for their services once they left us?

I'm just fucking glad I don't have to go into battle with some of you behind me because I think I'd have more to worry about with the usual sniping suspects than the foe in front of me........

Great post Dribble....right off to the game. Come on you blue boys let's get that 2nd place cemented!

 

[Didsbury Dave]

To close before I go to the pub and then the match. I'd prefer Frank De Boer personally if we couldn't get Klopp, Jose or Ancelotti.

Come on City!!! (3-1)

So your happy with your 5th choice?

All this 'who's your choice?' Stuff has always been a ridiculous stance to take. This isn't X Factor. It's football management.

If your manager isn't deemed to be the right person to take the club forward then you replace him with the person you judge to be the best choice. Mourinho was the most obvious candidate to me but there must be some good reason that isn't going to happen.

If this happens then txiki will be accountable for the decision. I hope it's the right one and my instincts (for what they are worth) tell me it will be. If you have charasma and are a leader of men, and have good tactical ability, then our job is a peach. A world class squad and world class budgets is the bedrock which is already there.

 

[MihaiCity]

Pellegrini

Honours

[edit]Manager
Universidad Católica
Copa Interamericana: 1994
Copa Chile: 1995
LDU Quito
Serie A: 1999
San Lorenzo
Primera División: 2001 Clausura
Copa Mercosur: 2001
River Plate
Primera División: 2003 Clausura
Villarreal
UEFA Intertoto Cup: 2004
Individual
Miguel Muñoz Trophy for the Best Coach of the Year: 2008


Mancini

Managerial honours
Fiorentina
Coppa Italia (1): 2000–01
Lazio
Coppa Italia (1): 2003–04
Internazionale
Serie A (3): 2005–06, 2006–07, 2007–08
Coppa Italia (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
Supercoppa Italiana (2): 2005, 2006
Manchester City
Premier League (1): 2011–12
FA Cup (1): 2010–11
FA Community Shield (1): 2012
[edit]

I'm not sure why anyone could consider Pellegrini an upgrade on Mancini.

If you show us mancini trophy's vs pellegrini trophy's can you show us how much money spent mancini to get that and how much pellegrini?????? and btw pellegrini has a better record in Europa than mancini:)

 

[NQCitizen]

Pellegrini

Honours

[edit]Manager
Universidad Católica
Copa Interamericana: 1994
Copa Chile: 1995
LDU Quito
Serie A: 1999
San Lorenzo
Primera División: 2001 Clausura
Copa Mercosur: 2001
River Plate
Primera División: 2003 Clausura
Villarreal
UEFA Intertoto Cup: 2004
Individual
Miguel Muñoz Trophy for the Best Coach of the Year: 2008


Mancini

Managerial honours
Fiorentina
Coppa Italia (1): 2000–01
Lazio
Coppa Italia (1): 2003–04
Internazionale
Serie A (3): 2005–06, 2006–07, 2007–08
Coppa Italia (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
Supercoppa Italiana (2): 2005, 2006
Manchester City
Premier League (1): 2011–12
FA Cup (1): 2010–11
FA Community Shield (1): 2012
[edit]

I'm not sure why anyone could consider Pellegrini an upgrade on Mancini.

If you show us mancini trophy's vs pellegrini trophy's can you show us how much money spent mancini to get that and how much pellegrini?????? and btw pellegrini has a better record in Europa than mancini:)

Real Madrid spent more than anyone ever to finish second under Pellegrini. A better record in Europe, but still not a successful one. Ancelotti and Mourinho are in a higher class than Pellegrini, always imagined the manager after Bobby would be undeniably a world beater.