Mancini 'arrogant and vain'

[Matty]

I'm not really sure why people are dismissing this Aziz blokes opinion because "he was just an assistant kitman". An assistant kitman will spend a great deal of time in and around the first team squad, on matchdays, on away trips etc. He'll have had, over the previous two seasons, many opportunities to be in the company of Roberto Mancini, along with everyone else involved in City's first team, the other backroom staff, the players etc. His opinions on Mancini, when it comes to personal interactions, whilst being just his opinions when all is said and done, are still valid ones and shouldn't just be disguarded due to his job title. He had the opportunity to interact with Roberto Mancini, and he found him to be self centred, arrogant etc in those interactions. Rumours of Mancini's poor relationship with many people, players included, would lead you to believe that perhaps this assistant kit man's opinion isn't too far away from the truth.

Yeah, it's valid. It's also irrelevant and unprofessional, and if I were his manager at his current job, I would strongly consider letting him go as having someone who is going to sprint to social media (no matter what shit he says about "not being that kind of guy" when it comes to talking bad about people after the fact) and trash people for attention is a risk I wouldn't care to bother with.

Oh, it's definitely unprofessional, hence why he's since removed the tweets. I disagree that it's irrelevant though. There are strong rumours that Mancini's sacking had a great deal to do with his relationships with the players, staff and board. If a former staff member expresses his opinions on that subject then I'd say it was fairly relevant to the discussion/subject at hand.

 

[Mike D]

Roberto Mancini 'arrogant and vain' says former Manchester City kit man

Stephen Aziz, the former kit man at Manchester City, has criticised Roberto Mancini following his sacking as manager, describing him as "arrogant, vain and self-centred" in one of a series of tweets that were later deleted from his Twitter account on Tuesday morning.

Mancini finally lost his job on Monday evening with one reason being his divisive management style that had upset some members of staff. Aziz, who left for Sunderland last summer, tweeted: "Arrogant, vain, self-centred no manners ignorant just some of the daily traits really made going into work a daily grind!! #karma".

Another read: "Not my style to come in here and start to bad mouth someone but this guy was really a piece of work!!!". He added: "Fans don't get to see what really goes on and day 2 day running 2 years there seeing him every day was hard work getting a 'good morning'".

But he praised the club itself, saying: "Mcfc on the other hand what a great club to work for some great players and staff nice down to earth ppl loved working there!!! #MCFC".

Mancini's camp declined to comment.
City's fans have reacted with dismay to the sacking with Kevin Parker, general secretary of the Manchester City Supporters Club, suggesting that any lack of harmony behind the scenes was a side issue. "I think they are looking for peace, harmony and happiness in the camp. That would suggest that under Roberto that isn't the case," he said.

"We all hear rumours and hear stories about it not being a particularly happy camp. But as fans our interest is a successful football team, success and trophies, and under Roberto that is what we got.

"Of course we are disappointed we have not won a trophy this season but in the eyes of City fans, that is not failure. When you have waited as long as we have for trophies, then the three Roberto has brought in three years are certainly keeping us happy."

Parker added: "It is unbelievable. The club have said the targets set haven't been met, but finishing second in the Premier League and losing finalists in the FA Cup would suggest those targets might have been unachievable. Does that mean we had to win the Premier League and win the FA Cup? I'm not sure."

Saw this one doing the rounds yesterday, I mean what next "He broke my best china after tea cup throwing rage!! says ex Man City tea lady Doris Stokes

 

[Blue Theatre]

Unfortunately for Mancini, you can get away with being arrogant and critical of the people you work with, so long as things are going well generally and the team is winning ...
... but when things start to go wrong, and you need the support of the people around you, you find it's not forthcoming.

You might call it "Roy Keane Syndrome".

Having said that, it suits the club now to portray Mancini as someone who no-one could work with ... but he was with us for 3-and-a-half years during which great players joined the club to work with Mancini, turning-in some incredible performances and winning trophies ... all was brilliant for a couple of years ... so can he really be as bad as people are now wanting us to believe ?

 

[BobbyLazarus]

It all looks very simple to me now. Club owners see Cheeky + Furry and a first team coach as the way forward. So be it. They would have to have a Mr Spock like lack of character judgement if they thought Mancini would fit in to that.
It would appear they determined to implement this plan quite some time ago. It would certainly be before the appointment of Cheeky or Furry.
I find it encouraging that there is evidence of a plan and look forward to seeing how it goes in the future. Something different in English football - looks exciting to me.

As for all the drivel about Mancini having brought it all on himself - pah bollocks I say. It's a classic big lie wrapped in a thin veneer of truth. Better if the club said - 'We see the future as this ( 1st team coach rather than Club Manager ) and Roberto disagreed fundamentally believing long term success required absolute control for the Club Manager. Therefore we got rid of a highly successful manager because we believe in what we are doing. Roberto was the right man at the right time. That time has passed.

 

[Anonymous]

We were told loads more stuff would come out about Mancini once he'd gone - and boy were they right. Posted elsewhere about certain journos talking of a smear campaign by City's PR people against Mancini.

Two wrongs seemingly make a right in their world.

In my opinion that shows a distinct lack of professionalism. Simply close ranks and move on would have been the easier option surely rather than petty revenge?

Whilst I wouldn't be surprised if Vicky Kloss has done a briefing or two (Ladyman's story for one), the stories will come out from other sources, indeed they are doing.

Our playing staff have been very professional over the last couple of years, keeping most of their gripes with MAncini in-house. If this turns into a war of words or one of them goes public it could get really nasty.

The truth is, Mancini made a lot of enemies and if you live by the sword, you die by the sword.

Indeed you do. If Mancini's behaviour has been so anathema, then he has got his just desserts, seemingly. However, the club then behaving how they are doing now doesn't exactly inspire confidence does it?

Professionally, it looks pretty poor in my opinion.

 

[taconinja]

I'm not really sure why people are dismissing this Aziz blokes opinion because "he was just an assistant kitman". An assistant kitman will spend a great deal of time in and around the first team squad, on matchdays, on away trips etc. He'll have had, over the previous two seasons, many opportunities to be in the company of Roberto Mancini, along with everyone else involved in City's first team, the other backroom staff, the players etc. His opinions on Mancini, when it comes to personal interactions, whilst being just his opinions when all is said and done, are still valid ones and shouldn't just be disguarded due to his job title. He had the opportunity to interact with Roberto Mancini, and he found him to be self centred, arrogant etc in those interactions. Rumours of Mancini's poor relationship with many people, players included, would lead you to believe that perhaps this assistant kit man's opinion isn't too far away from the truth.

Yeah, it's valid. It's also irrelevant and unprofessional, and if I were his manager at his current job, I would strongly consider letting him go as having someone who is going to sprint to social media (no matter what shit he says about "not being that kind of guy" when it comes to talking bad about people after the fact) and trash people for attention is a risk I wouldn't care to bother with.

Oh, it's definitely unprofessional, hence why he's since removed the tweets. I disagree that it's irrelevant though. There are strong rumours that Mancini's sacking had a great deal to do with his relationships with the players, staff and board. If a former staff member expresses his opinions on that subject then I'd say it was fairly relevant to the discussion/subject at hand.

It's relevant in that sense, yes. I should have been clearer. I think it's irrelevant as far as the club is concerned. I doubt they feel a need to justify the sacking, and I believe they would like this to go away. I also feel that if someone still employed by the club were to give some info on the sly to a journalist as a way of getting some sort of petty revenge the club would look at that poorly to say the least. That is if all the stuff about our owner being into decorum and honor is correct (I have no reason to believe otherwise) which was given multiple times as a reason to justify Mancini's sacking seeing as he wouldn't keep his mouth shut and trashed people publicly.

 

[Ray78]

Unfortunately for Mancini, you can get away with being arrogant and critical of the people you work with, so long as things are going well generally and the team is winning ...
... but when things start to go wrong, and you need the support of the people around you, you find it's not forthcoming.

You might call it "Roy Keane Syndrome".

Having said that, it suits the club now to portray Mancini as someone who no-one could work with ... but he was with us for 3-and-a-half years during which great players joined the club to work with Mancini, turning-in some incredible performances and winning trophies ... all was brilliant for a couple of years ... so can he really be as bad as people are now wanting us to believe ?

As fans we do have a one eyed view on Mancini and what he has won with us. However there is no smoke without fire on this one, and the whole club's atmosphere this season has been a little unpleasant and both parties haven't come out of this situation smelling of roses.

 

[TGR]

Unfortunately for Mancini, you can get away with being arrogant and critical of the people you work with, so long as things are going well generally and the team is winning ...
... but when things start to go wrong, and you need the support of the people around you, you find it's not forthcoming.

You might call it "Roy Keane Syndrome".

Having said that, it suits the club now to portray Mancini as someone who no-one could work with ... but he was with us for 3-and-a-half years during which great players joined the club to work with Mancini, turning-in some incredible performances and winning trophies ... all was brilliant for a couple of years ... so can he really be as bad as people are now wanting us to believe ?

'bump'

 

[bernabias home shirt]

We were told loads more stuff would come out about Mancini once he'd gone - and boy were they right. Posted elsewhere about certain journos talking of a smear campaign by City's PR people against Mancini.

Two wrongs seemingly make a right in their world.

In my opinion that shows a distinct lack of professionalism. Simply close ranks and move on would have been the easier option surely rather than petty revenge?

Vicky Kloss wants throwing out of the main entrance head fucking first
An embarrassing waste of space.

 

[MSP]

We were told loads more stuff would come out about Mancini once he'd gone - and boy were they right. Posted elsewhere about certain journos talking of a smear campaign by City's PR people against Mancini.

Two wrongs seemingly make a right in their world.

In my opinion that shows a distinct lack of professionalism. Simply close ranks and move on would have been the easier option surely rather than petty revenge?

Whilst I wouldn't be surprised if Vicky Kloss has done a briefing or two (Ladyman's story for one), the stories will come out from other sources, indeed they are doing.

Our playing staff have been very professional over the last couple of years, keeping most of their gripes with MAncini in-house. If this turns into a war of words or one of them goes public it could get really nasty.

The truth is, Mancini made a lot of enemies and if you live by the sword, you die by the sword.

Mancini sacked by City is huge story, the story that media will write about.

So what you want to do is give them some soft info and have the story that protects your interests without being too harsh rather than leave it in a wild.

So what should club do now, leave it in a wild or leave itself withthe image it got from Mancini's "I don't know nothing, I've gave them all and they're stabbing me in the back" portrait or do a bit of work to change that a bit.

I know what I'd do.