Mancini 'arrogant and vain'

[Didsbury Dave]

Absolutely, and more importantly, it's a business decision based on making sure the characteristics which made Mancini totally unsuitable for the job regardless of success on the field are in the public domain. If you love Mancini and are hurt by his sacking, of course you're going to hate the notion that he's being criticised after being sacked. However if you're Abu Dhabi and you've paid the guy probably close to 20 million over three and a half years and are paying him out another ten million just to get rid of him, then you're going to want to make sure that in an audience driven business, your audience knows why the guy's been sacked, after he's spent the last six months playing the downtrodden victim of the nasty business that is football.

And thus, Billy nails it.

Too many people seeing this through the "Cuddly Old Saint Bob" prism.

He's been happy to use the fucking media all year to suit his agenda. And loads of you fell for it hook line and sinker. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

I've always agreed with you boys around him going. We all know his limitations and his personality issues. I would have still preferred our club to basically say "Look there were issues around behaviour and this did not fit int how we wanted our management to work (yada yada yada) but a a club we fully appreciate the work he has done in bringing the club its first success etc etc etc

The less said is more powerful than what is coming out now. Everybody needs to move on. Mancini has not had his say yet. It can all get a bit messy for the wrong reasons just to satisfy a few egos. At the end of the day he has gone that is a victory for all that had been affected.

It does not shed a good light on the club, then again I'm hoping the owners & the 2 Spaniards are also keeping an eye on the leaks so when the right time comes they may act swiftly there too.

Nobody is coming out of this well, City, The Owners, The Players, The Exec team or Mancini

It's a shame

I agree to a degree, and agree this could get messy if Mancini's camp have a pop back, particularly at the players.

But I think this whole "shambles" thing is being a bit overplayed, and a lot of it is in the minds of fans. We've sacked our manager. It's never clean but it will be yesterday's news in no time. City's name is not going to be damaged by this. Bizarrely the cup defeat made the PR side of this quite a bit easier for City.

It could have been done more smoothly after the last game, as City planned, but I don't think it would have made much difference to people's perceptions.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

Let me guess, those who aren't particularly fussed about Mancini don't think there is too much wrong in the truth behind his sacking being exposed whereas those who unconditionally love the guy are appalled because obviously the club should happily take the hit to its reputation and make sure "Bobby's" reputation remains intact, regardless of what was really going on behind the scenes during his tenure?

 

[taconinja]

Let me guess, those who aren't particularly fussed about Mancini don't think there is too much wrong in the truth behind his sacking being exposed whereas those who unconditionally love the guy are appalled because obviously the club should happily take the hit to its reputation and make sure "Bobby's" reputation remains intact, regardless of what was really going on behind the scenes during his tenure?

To an extent I think you have a point, but I thought his time had come especially after the Southampton loss. That's when I confirmed my belief he had lost the dressing room. I do think there is a moderate deal of confirmation bias, though.

Also, I don't think the club is taking hits to its reputation that weren't inevitably going to happen no matter what.

 

[crystal_mais]

Let me guess, those who aren't particularly fussed about Mancini don't think there is too much wrong in the truth behind his sacking being exposed whereas those who unconditionally love the guy are appalled because obviously the club should happily take the hit to its reputation and make sure "Bobby's" reputation remains intact, regardless of what was really going on behind the scenes during his tenure?

Don't get me wrong I'm absolutely over the moon he has gone. I was just hoping there was not too much muck that flies around after.

Hey as others have said, come next week they maybe on about 'Arry' taking another bung or a full newpaper on the success & greatness of England & RAGs greatest ever Centre Half the camel gobbed "Wio"

 

[moomba]

Mentioned it in another thread, but very disappointed if the club are leaking anti-Mancini stuff through the press. I understand why some think it's the right thing to do, but to me I thought we had a bit more class than that.

The wisdom of the sacking will be determined by the success of his replacement. If Pellegrini (or whoever) comes in and does a good job no-one will give a toss that we sacked RM a year after winning the title. Likewise if he comes in and does shit, the fact that we're making snide comments about the former manager won't change the fact that the sacking will be seen as a stupid thing to do.

 

[MSP]

I don't think the people at City go in for petty revenge ... however it's fair to say they are taking quite a beating for their decision to sack Mancini - both from certain segments of our support, and from the wider media in general.

It doesn't surprise in the face of this, that the club want to at least redress the balance in terms of filtering out what Mancini was actually like to work with and to work alongside - after all that played a big factor in his sacking and it was said often enough "nobody knows what goes on behind the scenes, you can't prove the players don't like Mancini blah blah blah". Well I guess in the coming days we'll all know what he was like behind the scenes and why had to be sacked, even putting aside results on the pitch.

Personally I don't think we've heard the last of it. I suspect a few more home truths are going to come out before the new man is officially unveiled.

Of course it's not revenge, it's pure business decision.

It's multihundred million business, they don't give a shit about emotions like crybabies here do.

Multi-billion pound/dollar businesses manage situations. It has nothing to do with emotions... oh and go fuck yourself for implying I'm a crybaby... Anyway, you manage situations when you're a corporation. I part of a team that does that right now for a multi-million dollar business. You never want these things to drag on because eventually something will come out that harms your image. You want pictures of smiling, happy people enjoying the everloving shit out of themselves. You don't want disgruntled ex-employees on twitter attacking recent ex-employees.

You were not in crybabies group, you handled Mancini departure pretty well and you don't agree with me on this matter from some different reason. But there are lot of them who are crybabies and who shit all over the club because of their Bobby.

Of course you want happy family image but to have a happy family image you need to have your ex. manager having happy family face and not publicly screaming in media that you, nasty football club had broken his poor, innocent heart.

When that happens you react a bit, you're forced to, otherwise the last stuff promoted is one about you being evil. And you don't want that to be the last stuff said about you.

 

[Anonymous]

Mark. Hughes.

Stories about him didn't go away as soon as Mancini came in, did they? Oh and it's not like no matter how many stories regarding his incompetence and mismanagement came out crafted this image of City as unfortunate victim either.

Those stories were a direct result of the club doing the opposite of what they have done with Mancini. City effectively briefed the press two weeks before Hughes' sacking that he was totally safe. They haven't made that mistake this time, in fact they kept their own council right up until the very end regarding Mancini's position, and that's why they aren't getting the shitty negative press they got last time.

Another thing which cannot be underestimated is just how much of a part Mancini had to play in what went down over the weekend. In time the full story will come out but I bet you anything at the latest, Mancini knew after his visit to AD a month ago, that he wasn't going to be kept on this summer. He may not have been sacked, but he certainly will have known that his review at the end of the season wasn't going to be a favourable one. Yet he subsequently continued to make comments like "why do you write these things, it's stupid, I have a five year contract, if I should be sacked then so should every other manager in the league". I'm sorry, but this guy went out of his way to shape the narrative that a man with his record is unsackable, whilst knowing his sacking was going to be mainly down to his relationships behind the scenes. I said yesterday, Mancini was doing what was best for Mancini and not what was best for the club.

Only the most naive of soul could believe that Mancini entered the FA Cup Final weekend not knowing what his fate was going to be come the end of the season. And not because he read it in AS or Marca.

 

[taconinja]

Of course it's not revenge, it's pure business decision.

It's multihundred million business, they don't give a shit about emotions like crybabies here do.

Multi-billion pound/dollar businesses manage situations. It has nothing to do with emotions... oh and go fuck yourself for implying I'm a crybaby... Anyway, you manage situations when you're a corporation. I part of a team that does that right now for a multi-million dollar business. You never want these things to drag on because eventually something will come out that harms your image. You want pictures of smiling, happy people enjoying the everloving shit out of themselves. You don't want disgruntled ex-employees on twitter attacking recent ex-employees.

You were not in crybabies group, you handled Mancini departure pretty well and you don't agree with me on this matter from some different reason. But there are lot of them who are crybabies and who shit all over the club because of their Bobby.

Of course you want happy family image but to have a happy family image you need to have your ex. manager having happy family face and not publicly screaming in media that you, nasty football club had broken his poor, innocent heart.

When that happens you react a bit, you're forced to, otherwise the last stuff promoted is one about you being evil. And you don't want that to be the last stuff said about you.

My completely unreserved apologies then. The people talking about burning their City shirts and stuff are... well... hyperbolic is the nicest way to put it.

 

[dancity19]

And thus, Billy nails it.

Too many people seeing this through the "Cuddly Old Saint Bob" prism.

He's been happy to use the fucking media all year to suit his agenda. And loads of you fell for it hook line and sinker. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

I've always agreed with you boys around him going. We all know his limitations and his personality issues. I would have still preferred our club to basically say "Look there were issues around behaviour and this did not fit int how we wanted our management to work (yada yada yada) but a a club we fully appreciate the work he has done in bringing the club its first success etc etc etc

The less said is more powerful than what is coming out now. Everybody needs to move on. Mancini has not had his say yet. It can all get a bit messy for the wrong reasons just to satisfy a few egos. At the end of the day he has gone that is a victory for all that had been affected.

It does not shed a good light on the club, then again I'm hoping the owners & the 2 Spaniards are also keeping an eye on the leaks so when the right time comes they may act swiftly there too.

Nobody is coming out of this well, City, The Owners, The Players, The Exec team or Mancini

It's a shame

I agree to a degree, and agree this could get messy if Mancini's camp have a pop back, particularly at the players.

But I think this whole "shambles" thing is being a bit overplayed, and a lot of it is in the minds of fans. We've sacked our manager. It's never clean but it will be yesterday's news in no time. City's name is not going to be damaged by this. Bizarrely the cup defeat made the PR side of this quite a bit easier for City.

It could have been done more smoothly after the last game, as City planned, but I don't think it would have made much difference to people's perceptions.

Agree with that, definitely. Was going to say so yesterday, but unsure of how people would react.
Perversely, it has helped the media backlash by not winning the cup.

Had we won it, we would have still sacked him on Monday, as the speculation, which sped up the announcement would have continued anyway. We would have been the club that sacked a guy 2 days after winning the FA Cup - to the media, at least, and numerous parallels would have been drawn with Chelsea.

As it happened, the pitiful performance in the Final has helped the PR- and if necessary enables a 'they couldn't even play for him in the final' type story.

I would obviously have rather have won the FA Cup, but in a strange way it has eased the process.

 

[taconinja]

Mark. Hughes.

Stories about him didn't go away as soon as Mancini came in, did they? Oh and it's not like no matter how many stories regarding his incompetence and mismanagement came out crafted this image of City as unfortunate victim either.

Those stories were a direct result of the club doing the opposite of what they have done with Mancini. City effectively briefed the press two weeks before Hughes' sacking that he was totally safe. They haven't made that mistake this time, in fact they kept their own council right up until the very end regarding Mancini's position, and that's why they aren't getting the shitty negative press they got last time.

Another thing which cannot be underestimated is just how much of a part Mancini had to play in what went down over the weekend. In time the full story will come out but I bet you anything at the latest, Mancini knew after his visit to AD a month ago, that he wasn't going to be kept on this summer. He may not have been sacked, but he certainly will have known that his review at the end of the season wasn't going to be a favourable one. Yet he subsequently continued to make comments like "why do you write these things, it's stupid, I have a five year contract, if I should be sacked then so should every other manager in the league". I'm sorry, but this guy went out of his way to shape the narrative that a man with his record is unsackable, whilst knowing his sacking was going to be mainly down to his relationships behind the scenes. I said yesterday, Mancini was doing what was best for Mancini and not what was best for the club.

Only the most naive of soul could believe that Mancini entered the FA Cup Final weekend not knowing what his fate was going to be come the end of the season. And not because he read it in AS or Marca.

Just a quick note before I run to a meeting. I don't think the silence per se was the mishandling. The initial mishandling was having a meeting in a restaurant with the agent in this day and age of social media. No, there are more discreet ways to handle that. Much more discreet ways. After that, the club has been reacting instead of acting. I hope this isn't the club's version of acting to be honest as it will only continue the circus.

Also, Mancini and his image is of little concern to me at this point. The club is my concern. :)