Didsbury Dave said:There's no doubt that's the case and I wouldn't expect anything different from a pro like LEscott. But there have been times recently he hasn't even made the squad, that's what I'm referring to.
I thought it was a dressing room battle that the player made public?BillyShears said:moomba said:Player vs manager - back the manager every time. We don't want a tail wagging the dog situation like Chelsea's got so if someone is stirring they can fuck off out of the club as far as I'm concerned.
If Mancini keeps selling players who he's pissed off to the point where they feel the need to go to the media then he'll have a dressing room of 1. The problem lies with him and not with the players and it's disgraceful that he continues to pick public battles with his squad. The guy just never learns. He's going to pay with his job though.
SWP's back said:I thought it was a dressing room battle that the player made public?BillyShears said:moomba said:Player vs manager - back the manager every time. We don't want a tail wagging the dog situation like Chelsea's got so if someone is stirring they can fuck off out of the club as far as I'm concerned.
If Mancini keeps selling players who he's pissed off to the point where they feel the need to go to the media then he'll have a dressing room of 1. The problem lies with him and not with the players and it's disgraceful that he continues to pick public battles with his squad. The guy just never learns. He's going to pay with his job though.
moomba said:BillyShears said:If Mancini keeps selling players who he's pissed off to the point where they feel the need to go to the media then he'll have a dressing room of 1. The problem lies with him and not with the players and it's disgraceful that he continues to pick public battles with his squad. The guy just never learns. He's going to pay with his job though.
Like I said in another post he's apparently lost the dressing room so many times now I'm inclined not to believe every bit of gossip that suggests he's done so again.
If players need to go to the media, they can start planning their next club as far as I'm concerned, and thats whether the manager stays or not.
cibaman said:Didsbury Dave said:BillyShears said:The corrosive nature of Mancini's personality seems to be coming to the fore again this season. My personal opinion is that if he alienates Joe, Lescott, Milner, etc then he's finished at the club.
There have been reasons why all three would be pissed off with him recently. I've a hunch Lescott has had a bust up with him too as he appears to be getting the same cold shoulder we've seen others get when they've stepped out of line.
If we slip away further in the title race I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see more stories. Players know they can play their part and I wouldn't be surprised if this was the start of it.
The biggest concern is if performances on the pitch slip.
I have a hunch that Lescott isnt happy because Nastasic is deservedly being picked ahead of him, and doesn't look like losing his place.
I thought it a pertinent point seeing as it was in the privacy of the dressing room where he had a go (rightly so) at Hart, who was beaten by a ball 2 feet to the left of where he started before moving to his left after removing Tevez. If he had lambasted Hart in public, then your point would have stood.BillyShears said:SWP's back said:I thought it was a dressing room battle that the player made public?BillyShears said:If Mancini keeps selling players who he's pissed off to the point where they feel the need to go to the media then he'll have a dressing room of 1. The problem lies with him and not with the players and it's disgraceful that he continues to pick public battles with his squad. The guy just never learns. He's going to pay with his job though.
Why don't you tell me your opinion rather than just picking holes in mine.
I knew we were headed here the moment Mancini said after Ajax "yes, it's my fault Lescott didn't jump". Managers who make comments like that regularly, in my opinion, end up losing the respect of their entire squad.
BillyShears said:Didsbury Dave said:There's no doubt that's the case and I wouldn't expect anything different from a pro like LEscott. But there have been times recently he hasn't even made the squad, that's what I'm referring to.
For me this has got nothing to do with team selection. Mancini should be free to pick who he wants when he wants, that's his job. I think all the players respect that. The problem is the continual public battering of players by Mancini, and his incredibly volatile nature when things go tits up.
If I were Lescott, Hart, and Richards, I'd have absolutely no respect for Mancini for the things he's said after games this season.
moomba said:BillyShears said:If Mancini keeps selling players who he's pissed off to the point where they feel the need to go to the media then he'll have a dressing room of 1. The problem lies with him and not with the players and it's disgraceful that he continues to pick public battles with his squad. The guy just never learns. He's going to pay with his job though.
Like I said in another post he's apparently lost the dressing room so many times now I'm inclined not to believe every bit of gossip that suggests he's done so again.
If players need to go to the media, they can start planning their next club as far as I'm concerned, and thats whether the manager stays or not.