Mancini (cont)

[Marvin]

Not true. Aguero has missed 1/3rd of the season, and Balotelli has missed the whole lot for whatever reason. We're 20 goals short of where we were last season - and in my opinion it's down to the forwards we had available plus the sale of AJ.

What's not true? I know Aguero has missed a chunk of the season, and I am aware that Balotelli was missing due in no small part to his torrid relationship with Mancini, but my point regarding our forwards remains the same. You can question their form and consistency but honestly, having just played the likes of United and Chelsea off the pitch, it's a bit rich to start complaining our forwards aren't good enough. If anything our forwards should have had more goals/support from the midfield this season. Silva/Nasri/Yaya's goals returns has been simply put, not good enough.

If Utd had lost RVP in the 1st half of the season - we'd be top. Luck with injuries does play a part.

Amazing the new and novel ways people find to say "if we'd signed Van Persie". I daresay had we signed Hazard we would have been closer to United. Or even if we'd signed Oscar for that matter. Or if Mancini had managed to be able to manage Balotelli. Or if Scott Sinclair was simply a better player than he currently is. You see where I'm going with this Marvin.

-- Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:56 pm --

I agree that there is an issue with motivation but that's as much on the player's shoulders as it is the manger's. I do accept though as a fair criticism of Mancini and his coaching staff.

The players will definitely have to look at themselves and I wonder how many can be honest and say they've given everything this season.

What's not true is your claim

we have 3 forwards who walk into any team in the PL and most teams in Europe

Aguero has missed a 1/3rd of the season, and Balotelli was a write-off from the moment the season started.

In hindsight we should have sold Balotelli in the Summer and bought a replacement. You could argue Mancini placed too much faith in Mario Balotelli (he's already causing problems again in Milan where he's supposedly happy) but all managers make mistakes and Mario is still a young player. Without knowing the individual, it's possible that young players can mature and develop.

 

[Balti]

I'm very surprised so many people think that an FA Cup win or beating the rags will have such a big impact on Mancini's overall fate. Personally I still believe the decision will be made based on his ability to work with the new director of football and to a lesser extent on his capacity to get the best out of his players. What the last month has shown is that the players seemingly turn it on and off (Everton v Rags/Chelsea performances), when they feel like it under Mancini. More than anything what I've taken from these performances is that it's clear our squad is good enough to have won the league this season, our players are good enough to have competed in the CL better than they did, and that moving forward our squad needs a tweak rather than an overhaul.

With respect to Mancini's position, it still confounds me that City have remained totally silent and are seemingly happy for us to be linked with a host of new managers without once saying either publicly or privately in categorical terms - Mancini will be manager next season. It's not hard to do and it would have put this thread to bed, certainly with respect to his potential sacking, if not with the discussions surrounding his perceived weaknesses as a manager.

Perhaps they hear the ongoing vocal support that Mancini has in the stands, as at Wemberlee yet again, and listen to that in preference to reading the internet scribblings of a small minority of dedicated outers on Blue Moon?

Perhaps they, like most of us, think that Bobby is a legend who has earned some patience and respect?

That being the case they would give absolutely no credence to this thread or the prejudiced desires of a few unhappy rag journo's with their snouts in the trough, who would like nothing more than to see City shoot themselves in the foot by jumping aboard the chelski managerial (not so) merry-go-round.

 

[Anonymous]

What's not true is your claim

we have 3 forwards who walk into any team in the PL and most teams in Europe

Aguero has missed a 1/3rd of the season, and Balotelli was a write-off from the moment the season started.

In hindsight we should have sold Balotelli in the Summer and bought a replacement. You could argue Mancini placed too much faith in Mario Balotelli (he's already causing problems again in Milan where he's supposedly happy) but all managers make mistakes and Mario is still a young player. Without knowing the individual, it's possible that young players can mature and develop.

It's a subjective argument but I'm more than comfortable in the opinion that Dzeko, Tevez, and Aguero are better than anyone in the league barring Van Persie and maybe at a push Suarez.<br /><br />-- Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:12 pm --<br /><br />

I'm very surprised so many people think that an FA Cup win or beating the rags will have such a big impact on Mancini's overall fate. Personally I still believe the decision will be made based on his ability to work with the new director of football and to a lesser extent on his capacity to get the best out of his players. What the last month has shown is that the players seemingly turn it on and off (Everton v Rags/Chelsea performances), when they feel like it under Mancini. More than anything what I've taken from these performances is that it's clear our squad is good enough to have won the league this season, our players are good enough to have competed in the CL better than they did, and that moving forward our squad needs a tweak rather than an overhaul.

With respect to Mancini's position, it still confounds me that City have remained totally silent and are seemingly happy for us to be linked with a host of new managers without once saying either publicly or privately in categorical terms - Mancini will be manager next season. It's not hard to do and it would have put this thread to bed, certainly with respect to his potential sacking, if not with the discussions surrounding his perceived weaknesses as a manager.

Perhaps they hear the ongoing vocal support that Mancini has in the stands, as at Wemberlee yet again, and listen to that in preference to reading the internet scribblings of a small minority of dedicated outers on Blue Moon?

Perhaps they, like most of us, think that Bobby is a legend who has earned some patience and respect?

That being the case they would give absolutely no credence to this thread or the prejudiced desires of a few unhappy rag journo's with their snouts in the trough, who would like nothing more than to see City shoot themselves in the foot by jumping aboard the chelski managerial (not so) merry-go-round.

Perhaps they could less of a fuck what the supporters think when it comes to making a technical decision about who's best the take the club forward.

Perhaps they think Mancini is a lucky guy who's had very good circumstances at very rich clubs to put together title winning teams but has rarely shown that those teams punch above their weight.

Perhaps they also could give less of a fuck what the media anywhere int he world thinks.

Perhaps they would find it highly offensive to be compared to Chelsea for making a technical decision about a manager who's been in the job for three half half years or so.

 

[crystal_mais]

I'm very surprised so many people think that an FA Cup win or beating the rags will have such a big impact on Mancini's overall fate. Personally I still believe the decision will be made based on his ability to work with the new director of football and to a lesser extent on his capacity to get the best out of his players. What the last month has shown is that the players seemingly turn it on and off (Everton v Rags/Chelsea performances), when they feel like it under Mancini. More than anything what I've taken from these performances is that it's clear our squad is good enough to have won the league this season, our players are good enough to have competed in the CL better than they did, and that moving forward our squad needs a tweak rather than an overhaul.

With respect to Mancini's position, it still confounds me that City have remained totally silent and are seemingly happy for us to be linked with a host of new managers without once saying either publicly or privately in categorical terms - Mancini will be manager next season. It's not hard to do and it would have put this thread to bed, certainly with respect to his potential sacking, if not with the discussions surrounding his perceived weaknesses as a manager.

Perhaps they hear the ongoing vocal support that Mancini has in the stands, as at Wemberlee yet again, and listen to that in preference to reading the internet scribblings of a small minority of dedicated outers on Blue Moon?

Perhaps they, like most of us, think that Bobby is a legend who has earned some patience and respect?

That being the case they would give absolutely no credence to this thread or the prejudiced desires of a few unhappy rag journo's with their snouts in the trough, who would like nothing more than to see City shoot themselves in the foot by jumping aboard the chelski managerial (not so) merry-go-round.

I don't think they will bother about people singing his name or what people say. It will all depend on wether he fits into their model. Simple as

I sing Mancini's name at the games but it doesn't stop me questioning if he is right for this club

 

[Rolee]

I'm very surprised so many people think that an FA Cup win or beating the rags will have such a big impact on Mancini's overall fate. Personally I still believe the decision will be made based on his ability to work with the new director of football and to a lesser extent on his capacity to get the best out of his players. What the last month has shown is that the players seemingly turn it on and off (Everton v Rags/Chelsea performances), when they feel like it under Mancini. More than anything what I've taken from these performances is that it's clear our squad is good enough to have won the league this season, our players are good enough to have competed in the CL better than they did, and that moving forward our squad needs a tweak rather than an overhaul.

With respect to Mancini's position, it still confounds me that City have remained totally silent and are seemingly happy for us to be linked with a host of new managers without once saying either publicly or privately in categorical terms - Mancini will be manager next season. It's not hard to do and it would have put this thread to bed, certainly with respect to his potential sacking, if not with the discussions surrounding his perceived weaknesses as a manager.

Perhaps they hear the ongoing vocal support that Mancini has in the stands, as at Wemberlee yet again, and listen to that in preference to reading the internet scribblings of a small minority of dedicated outers on Blue Moon?

Perhaps they, like most of us, think that Bobby is a legend who has earned some patience and respect?

That being the case they would give absolutely no credence to this thread or the prejudiced desires of a few unhappy rag journo's with their snouts in the trough, who would like nothing more than to see City shoot themselves in the foot by jumping aboard the chelski managerial (not so) merry-go-round.

I don't think they will bother about people singing his name or what people say. It will all depend on wether he fits into their model. Simple as

I sing Mancini's name at the games but it doesn't stop me questioning if he is right for this club

I'm not sure it can be completely disregarded though, can it?

I'm sure it won't be a major factor in any decision made but surely it would have some significance.

 

[Anonymous]

I sing Mancini's name at the games but it doesn't stop me questioning if he is right for this club

That's the same for the overwhelmingly vast majority of those who are unsure about Mancini. Supporters go to games to support and we all sing and chant with the best of them. It's part and parcel of the experience.

In the case of Mancini I also think it's fair to say that it's an indication of how strongly he's loved by a large majority of our supporter base that his name is sung at every game and with such passion.

 

[decmancity]

Mancini will be here next year regardless of what people think.

People like Khaldoon and Sheikh Mansour don't sack people because of one poor season (poor by last year's standards)

If it comes to the situation next season where we are again out of the CL, behind in the premier league and the relationship with Txiki is strained then they will have no choice but to replace him.

Right now though he is safe.

 

[Anonymous]

I'm sure it won't be a major factor in any decision made but surely it would have some significance.

I agree completely. I think Mancini's popularity will keep Txiki in check in terms of the decision about his tenure. I don't think it'll stop him appointing an unproven manager ala De Boer or Pellegrini if Mancini does go though.

 

[Marvin]

It's a subjective argument but I'm more than comfortable in the opinion that Dzeko, Tevez, and Aguero are better than anyone in the league barring Van Persie and maybe at a push Suarez.

They are but only 2 were available to Mancini through the season, and the issue is not how good the strikers are but how good they are in our team. Dzeko doesn't suit our team as it is, but get a good winger and change our player slightly and he could be perfect.

 

[Anonymous]

It's a subjective argument but I'm more than comfortable in the opinion that Dzeko, Tevez, and Aguero are better than anyone in the league barring Van Persie and maybe at a push Suarez.

They are but only 2 were available to Mancini through the season, and the issue is not how good the strikers are but how good they are in our team. Dzeko doesn't suit our team as it is, but get a good winger and change our player slightly and he could be perfect.

Why were only two available ?

I'll answer that. Because Aguero was injured, and Balotelli was not managed. It's a situation of Mancini's own making and it doesn't mitigate a single thing about the season in my opinion. Plenty of things Mancini can point to, but his handling of his attacking players this season is one of the one of the metaphorical blots on his copy book. From early doors he was highly critical and lamented not signing Van Persie. His on again off again love affair with Mario cost the team , and his handling of Mario around the derby was appalling. Makes me cringe just thinking about it ...