Mancini (cont)

[George Hannah]

Klopp has proved that he can work and motivate a bunch of real talented young players in a system he has modeled (and do not believe that he has not sorted out a lot of players - he has) - it is something different to work with the type of players Manchester City has....
He did the same in Mainz. He never worked with "stars". Never in a ball possession system - the tactics in Mainz were similar.

Great post, Maldeika.

but could we ever win anything with a manager who has had a hair transplant?

 

[Anonymous]

I'm very surprised so many people think that an FA Cup win or beating the rags will have such a big impact on Mancini's overall fate. Personally I still believe the decision will be made based on his ability to work with the new director of football and to a lesser extent on his capacity to get the best out of his players. What the last month has shown is that the players seemingly turn it on and off (Everton v Rags/Chelsea performances), when they feel like it under Mancini. More than anything what I've taken from these performances is that it's clear our squad is good enough to have won the league this season, our players are good enough to have competed in the CL better than they did, and that moving forward our squad needs a tweak rather than an overhaul.

With respect to Mancini's position, it still confounds me that City have remained totally silent and are seemingly happy for us to be linked with a host of new managers without once saying either publicly or privately in categorical terms - Mancini will be manager next season. It's not hard to do and it would have put this thread to bed, certainly with respect to his potential sacking, if not with the discussions surrounding his perceived weaknesses as a manager.

 

[moomba]

With respect to Mancini's position, it still confounds me that City have remained totally silent and are seemingly happy for us to be linked with a host of new managers without once saying either publicly or privately in categorical terms - Mancini will be manager next season. It's not hard to do and it would have put this thread to bed, certainly with respect to his potential sacking, if not with the discussions surrounding his perceived weaknesses as a manager.

Last time Soriano said anything about Mancini it was described as a "dreaded vote of confidence". Just not worth the bother (especially considering they may not have actually made up their mind yet).

 

[Ken]

rags before the derby had taken 50 points from 54.. no matter what city could have done this season there isn't a chance we could have done better than that, the deficit should be less but you can't deny how well they've done even if they haven't played well they've won games. they're on track to get the most points ever in the league, this isn't bob's fault..

 

[Marvin]

I'm very surprised so many people think that an FA Cup win or beating the rags will have such a big impact on Mancini's overall fate. Personally I still believe the decision will be made based on his ability to work with the new director of football and to a lesser extent on his capacity to get the best out of his players. What the last month has shown is that the players seemingly turn it on and off (Everton v Rags/Chelsea performances), when they feel like it under Mancini. More than anything what I've taken from these performances is that it's clear our squad is good enough to have won the league this season, our players are good enough to have competed in the CL better than they did, and that moving forward our squad needs a tweak rather than an overhaul.

With respect to Mancini's position, it still confounds me that City have remained totally silent and are seemingly happy for us to be linked with a host of new managers without once saying either publicly or privately in categorical terms - Mancini will be manager next season. It's not hard to do and it would have put this thread to bed, certainly with respect to his potential sacking, if not with the discussions surrounding his perceived weaknesses as a manager.

What the last 2 games show is that when Aguero is fit we have the cutting edge that has been lacking for most of the season.

Winning trophies and results is the most important factor in a manager's security so of course the last week is a factor and changes an awful lot

 

[Rolee]

I'm very surprised so many people think that an FA Cup win or beating the rags will have such a big impact on Mancini's overall fate. Personally I still believe the decision will be made based on his ability to work with the new director of football and to a lesser extent on his capacity to get the best out of his players. What the last month has shown is that the players seemingly turn it on and off (Everton v Rags/Chelsea performances), when they feel like it under Mancini. More than anything what I've taken from these performances is that it's clear our squad is good enough to have won the league this season, our players are good enough to have competed in the CL better than they did, and that moving forward our squad needs a tweak rather than an overhaul.

With respect to Mancini's position, it still confounds me that City have remained totally silent and are seemingly happy for us to be linked with a host of new managers without once saying either publicly or privately in categorical terms - Mancini will be manager next season. It's not hard to do and it would have put this thread to bed, certainly with respect to his potential sacking, if not with the discussions surrounding his perceived weaknesses as a manager.

Agree that the decision will be based on his ability to work with the DoF. In that respect things look promising for Mancini given the remarks he made about them being football people and understanding football when Txiki and Soriano came on board. There's nothing to suggest either way whether they feel Mancini is the right man or not. Mancini has worked successfully in this type of model before too, so I guess that stands to him.

I agree we just need a tweak which is why bringing a new manager in would be folly.

 

[Anonymous]

Winning trophies and results is the most important factor in a manager's security so of course the last week is a factor and changes an awful lot

You don't make a long term decision about the future of your football club based on one or two games. Therefore just as it would have been ridiculous to say "lose the derby, and the Chelsea game and he's definitely gone" it's just as ridiculous IMO to say "win the derby and the Chelsea game and he's definitely staying."

Regarding Aguero, I agree we have missed him being at his sharpest this season, however we had 4 forwards until the end of January, and even with Balo gone we have 3 forwards who walk into any team in the PL and most teams in Europe. I've little time for excuse making based on injuries when every team suffers injuries, and we haven't lost several players in the same position, which arguably can be a more credible reason for struggling for form.<br /><br />-- Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:42 pm --<br /><br />

I agree we just need a tweak which is why bringing a new manager in would be folly.

I wouldn't class it as folly but I'm certainly more measured in my feelings about Mancini having seen those players put in two big performances for him. It's certainly food for thought for those of us who feel a change would be for the best. The real frustration is that we've shown what we can do in the last couple of games, and it also shows what we haven't done this season. That's where I think he may encounter problems when his position is reviewed because as I say there's an element of those players turning it on and off. That's down to his motivational abilities.

 

[Marvin]

Winning trophies and results is the most important factor in a manager's security so of course the last week is a factor and changes an awful lot

You don't make a long term decision about the future of your football club based on one or two games. Therefore just as it would have been ridiculous to say "lose the derby, and the Chelsea game and he's definitely gone" it's just as ridiculous IMO to say "win the derby and the Chelsea game and he's definitely staying."

Regarding Aguero, I agree we have missed him being at his sharpest this season, however we had 4 forwards until the end of January, and even with Balo gone we have 3 forwards who walk into any team in the PL and most teams in Europe. I've little time for excuse making based on injuries when every team suffers injuries, and we haven't lost several players in the same position, which arguably can be a more credible reason for struggling for form.

Not true. Aguero has missed 1/3rd of the season, and Balotelli has missed the whole lot for whatever reason. We're 20 goals short of where we were last season - and in my opinion it's down to the forwards we had available plus the sale of AJ.

If Utd had lost RVP in the 1st half of the season - we'd be top. Luck with injuries does play a part.

 

[Rolee]

Winning trophies and results is the most important factor in a manager's security so of course the last week is a factor and changes an awful lot

You don't make a long term decision about the future of your football club based on one or two games. Therefore just as it would have been ridiculous to say "lose the derby, and the Chelsea game and he's definitely gone" it's just as ridiculous IMO to say "win the derby and the Chelsea game and he's definitely staying."

Regarding Aguero, I agree we have missed him being at his sharpest this season, however we had 4 forwards until the end of January, and even with Balo gone we have 3 forwards who walk into any team in the PL and most teams in Europe. I've little time for excuse making based on injuries when every team suffers injuries, and we haven't lost several players in the same position, which arguably can be a more credible reason for struggling for form.

-- Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:42 pm --

I agree we just need a tweak which is why bringing a new manager in would be folly.

I wouldn't class it as folly but I'm certainly more measured in my feelings about Mancini having seen those players put in two big performances for him. It's certainly food for thought for those of us who feel a change would be for the best. The real frustration is that we've shown what we can do in the last couple of games, and it also shows what we haven't done this season. That's where I think he may encounter problems when his position is reviewed because as I say there's an element of those players turning it on and off. That's down to his motivational abilities.

I agree that there is an issue with motivation but that's as much on the player's shoulders as it is the manger's. I do accept though as a fair criticism of Mancini and his coaching staff.

 

[Anonymous]

Not true. Aguero has missed 1/3rd of the season, and Balotelli has missed the whole lot for whatever reason. We're 20 goals short of where we were last season - and in my opinion it's down to the forwards we had available plus the sale of AJ.

What's not true? I know Aguero has missed a chunk of the season, and I am aware that Balotelli was missing due in no small part to his torrid relationship with Mancini, but my point regarding our forwards remains the same. You can question their form and consistency but honestly, having just played the likes of United and Chelsea off the pitch, it's a bit rich to start complaining our forwards aren't good enough. If anything our forwards should have had more goals/support from the midfield this season. Silva/Nasri/Yaya's goals returns has been simply put, not good enough.

If Utd had lost RVP in the 1st half of the season - we'd be top. Luck with injuries does play a part.

Amazing the new and novel ways people find to say "if we'd signed Van Persie". I daresay had we signed Hazard we would have been closer to United. Or even if we'd signed Oscar for that matter. Or if Mancini had managed to be able to manage Balotelli. Or if Scott Sinclair was simply a better player than he currently is. You see where I'm going with this Marvin.<br /><br />-- Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:56 pm --<br /><br />

I agree that there is an issue with motivation but that's as much on the player's shoulders as it is the manger's. I do accept though as a fair criticism of Mancini and his coaching staff.

The players will definitely have to look at themselves and I wonder how many can be honest and say they've given everything this season.