Mancini (cont)

[NipHolmes]

Drawing: Bayern, Dortmund and Real Madrid in the Champs League = unlucky

Drawing: Watford, Stoke, Leeds, Barnsley and Wigan = not lucky

There's no such thing as luck.

'Luck' is when preperation meets opportunity.

 

[Nevizade]

I thought it was interesting that he went with a genuine 4-3-3 in the first half yesterday. Whether that's him trying to prove to Txiki that he can play it, or whether he and Txiki have decided to use it at times for the rest of this season to start building for next season, is open to conjecture.

What was clear in that first half is that we don't have the players for 4-3-3 at the moment (it didn't help that Silva and Rodwell, two players that would suit that system weren't fit to start). Garcia, Barry and Yaya in that midfield 3 is asking to be overrun.

 

[NipHolmes]

To take my issue with three at the back forward, why does Mancini continue to believe he has the personnel to deploy it effectively?

My biggest issue is the personnel. Micah is ideal for wing back, but was probably too early in his recorery to be really effective. Kolarov just not the right type of player. I think Clichy is, but as far as I know has never been played as a wingback for us.

As far as the back three any combination of Kompany, Lescott, Nastasic, Kolo should be adaptable enough to be able to play it well. Usually there has been Clichy and/or Zaba as one of the back three though and I don't think they are best suited to that.

3 at the back needs out and out rapid wingbacks with good delivery. I like Clichy but his delivery isn't good enough.

Ideally you'd have Baines at LWB and Alves at RWB. Both will leave you open at the back but both graft going up and down flank and whip in quality balls time after time.

Kolarov is no Baines and is bang average and Micah/Milner/Zaba don't have the delivery of Alves but do absolutely knock him into fits for defending.

We are simply putting round pegs into square holes and teh personnel doesn't fit the sytsem which is what I and other have said all along.

Fit a formation around what you have and what will get teh best out of what you have. A complimentary system and formation to get the best out of the eleven fielded. The 3-5-2 puts us in danger and shows up areas of weakness in some of our players.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Drawing: Watford, Stoke, Leeds, Barnsley and Wigan = not lucky

Did you miss someone there?

Yeah, Ajax and Napoli ;)

The point remains.

The dogs dinner of a Champions League draw we have received for two seasons has been one of the mitigating circumstances used in this whole debate by those who feel Mancini has and is being unfairly appraised.

However, again, the randomness of any cup draw seems to be disregarded when people talk about Mancini's managerial genius hopefully delivering a second FA Cup in two years.

I suppose in Chelsea, the law of averages would expect the final four to be made up of at least two of the best teams in England.

Portsmouth have been to two finals in recent years, as have Stoke Cardiff and Millwall.

Sadly, much as I love the FA Cup, I don't think it has a particular sheen outside of the supporter base, when it comes to how the owners will see progression?<br /><br />-- Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:35 am --<br /><br />

Drawing: Bayern, Dortmund and Real Madrid in the Champs League = unlucky

Drawing: Watford, Stoke, Leeds, Barnsley and Wigan = not lucky

There's no such thing as luck.

So you don't consider it unlucky to be drawn against the teams we have in the Champions League then?

Admittedly, our failure in the first year of the competition loaded the odds against us this season.

But I would call it pretty shit luck to be paired with Champions of Spain, Germany and Holland in the same group.

Call it random chaos!

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Drawing: Watford, Stoke, Leeds, Barnsley and Wigan = not lucky

Did you miss someone there?

Yeah, Ajax and Napoli ;)

The point remains.

The dogs dinner of a Champions League draw we have received for two seasons has been one of the mitigating circumstances used in this whole debate by those who feel Mancini has and is being unfairly appraised.

However, again, the randomness of any cup draw seems to be disregarded when people talk about Mancini's managerial genius hopefully delivering a second FA Cup in two years.

I suppose in Chelsea, the law of averages would expect the final four to be made up of at least two of the best teams in England.

Portsmouth have been to two finals in recent years, as have Stoke Cardiff and Millwall.

Sadly, much as I love the FA Cup, I don't think it has a particular sheen outside of the supporter base, when it comes to how the owners will see progression?

-- Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:35 am --

Drawing: Bayern, Dortmund and Real Madrid in the Champs League = unlucky

Drawing: Watford, Stoke, Leeds, Barnsley and Wigan = not lucky

There's no such thing as luck.

So you don't consider it unlucky to be drawn against the teams we have in the Champions League then?

Admittedly, our failure in the first year of the competition loaded the odds against us this season.

But I would call it pretty shit luck to be paired with Champions of Spain, Germany and Holland in the same group.

Call it random chaos!

or fixed, whatever floats your boat.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Did you miss someone there?

Yeah, Ajax and Napoli ;)

The point remains.

The dogs dinner of a Champions League draw we have received for two seasons has been one of the mitigating circumstances used in this whole debate by those who feel Mancini has and is being unfairly appraised.

However, again, the randomness of any cup draw seems to be disregarded when people talk about Mancini's managerial genius hopefully delivering a second FA Cup in two years.

I suppose in Chelsea, the law of averages would expect the final four to be made up of at least two of the best teams in England.

Portsmouth have been to two finals in recent years, as have Stoke Cardiff and Millwall.

Sadly, much as I love the FA Cup, I don't think it has a particular sheen outside of the supporter base, when it comes to how the owners will see progression?

-- Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:35 am --

There's no such thing as luck.

So you don't consider it unlucky to be drawn against the teams we have in the Champions League then?

Admittedly, our failure in the first year of the competition loaded the odds against us this season.

But I would call it pretty shit luck to be paired with Champions of Spain, Germany and Holland in the same group.

Call it random chaos!

or fixed, whatever floats your boat.

I can't believe for a second the FA would fix it for Mancini to win the FA Cup.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

or fixed, whatever floats your boat.

oh please mate, don't bring all that fucking shite into this thread

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

or fixed, whatever floats your boat.

oh please mate, don't bring all that fucking shite into this thread

That nice man David Gill at the FA has fixed it for us to win the FA Cup this season.

We've clearly misjudged the man. He's not a RAG scumbag after all, he's just misunderstood.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Drawing: Bayern, Dortmund and Real Madrid in the Champs League = unlucky

Drawing: Watford, Stoke, Leeds, Barnsley and Wigan = not lucky

There's no such thing as luck.

'Luck' is when preperation meets opportunity.

I like it Nip.

I am going to wait a few weeks, use it, and claim it as my own ;-)

 

[NipHolmes]

There's no such thing as luck.

'Luck' is when preperation meets opportunity.

I like it Nip.

I am going to wait a few weeks, use it, and claim it as my own ;-)

;)

I've seen a bit of plagiarism where my work is concerned mister.

Not a bother, your wisdom cannot be copied unfortunately, nor your dry humour.