Mancini (cont)

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

So.....

Lets get this right yeah....We have a fantastic result against the rags at the swamp yet 2 days later some are still discussing Mancini and his perceived lack of tacticul nouse in europe and against Everton and Sunderland so we have to replace him despite winning the league,cup and charity shield since being here.

I really really despair...Every blue I know has been praising the team,manager since Monday and yet it continues on here.Why can't we just enjoy the result and prepare for the upcoming challenges. I'm sure the media get aome shite off here

All I will say is be careful what you wish for.

 

[BringBackSwales]

couldnt agree more,mancini has made us into champions,throphy hunters and a force to be reckond with,some people wouldnt know a good manager if he kicked them in the bollox

I just wished the scum hierarchy had reacted in the same way as some of our mard arsed hissy fit posters on here and sacked fergiscum any time they finished second the year after winning the League, it is laughable (in a really unfunny way)

If you love slur Alex and the way the rags do things so much ...... Well you can figure the rest out.

read what I said you arse - I said I wished the c**** had sacked the c*** (without using those actual words) - I hate the scum and fergiscum with a passion, and I genuinely wish they had sacked him

 

[NipHolmes]

I am staggered, absolutely staggered at the anti Mancini sentiments expressed in this thread. 3rd, 1st and 2nd in the PL in the last 3 seasons, 1 and hopefully2 FA cups, playing regularly nice football, and yet so many posters on here want to throw the baby away with the bathwater and start again with a new manager - how many years did it take fergiscum to win a premier league?

The victory over United was a good one but it shouldn't paper over the terrible Europe performances. Dortmund and Real can be argued but Ajax cannot.

Why oh why is everyting in our future comapred to that fucking lot? They aren't the only elite club in the world you know! Bayern, Barca, Real, Juventus etc have all kept a steady ship for decades and changed managers.

Many posters want to build and that starts with Europe. Inter Milan made a difficult decision in moving Bobby on, it paid off too, a treble, things have only gone sour because their owner has withdrawn his investments considerably.

Mancini has Fergusons number, no doubt about it, but that's not the be and end all. United are rivals, howvere you get no trophies for beating them. The future is more than beating United and on that basis judgement of the future needs to be across the board rather than across the road. To base Mancini staying on winning against United is narrow minded and short sighted imho. We need to progress in Europe and we can debate all day but facts and stats prove he's found wanting on this aspect of club football.<br /><br />-- Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:07 pm --<br /><br />

So.....

Lets get this right yeah....We have a fantastic result against the rags at the swamp yet 2 days later some are still discussing Mancini and his perceived lack of tacticul nouse in europe and against Everton and Sunderland so we have to replace him despite winning the league,cup and charity shield since being here.

I really really despair...Every blue I know has been praising the team,manager since Monday and yet it continues on here.Why can't we just enjoy the result and prepare for the upcoming challenges. I'm sure the media get aome shite off here

All I will say is be careful what you wish for.

Nothing to percieve at all. He's been inadequate in Europe even before he came to us as manager.

Everton and Sunderland seem like 8 second limit 100m races at the moment!

 

[BringBackSwales]

I am staggered, absolutely staggered at the anti Mancini sentiments expressed in this thread. 3rd, 1st and 2nd in the PL in the last 3 seasons, 1 and hopefully2 FA cups, playing regularly nice football, and yet so many posters on here want to throw the baby away with the bathwater and start again with a new manager - how many years did it take fergiscum to win a premier league?

The victory over United was a good one but it shouldn't paper over the terrible Europe performances. Dortmund and Real can be argued but Ajax cannot.

Why oh why is everyting in our future comapred to that fucking lot? They aren't the only elite club in the world you know! Bayern, Barca, Real, Juventus etc have all kept a steady ship for decades and changed managers.

Many posters want to build and that starts with Europe. Inter Milan made a difficult decision in moving Bobby on, it paid off too, a treble, things have only gone sour because their owner has withdrawn his investments considerably.

Mancini has Fergusons number, no doubt about it, but that's not the be and end all. United are rivals, howvere you get no trophies for beating them. The future is more than beating United and on that basis judgement of the future needs to be across the board rather than across the road. To base Mancini staying on winning against United is narrow minded and short sighted imho. We need to progress in Europe and we can debate all day but facts and stats prove he's found wanting on this aspect of club football.

in what way did I say I was basing anything on beating the scum? I said 3rd, 1st, 2nd in PL and 1 or 2 FA Cups in 3 years? In terms of being narrow minded maybe you could let a day go by without slagging Mancini off? I appreciate that you have a view, and you express it eloquently enough, but why the need to keep repeating it?

 

[NipHolmes]

I am staggered, absolutely staggered at the anti Mancini sentiments expressed in this thread. 3rd, 1st and 2nd in the PL in the last 3 seasons, 1 and hopefully2 FA cups, playing regularly nice football, and yet so many posters on here want to throw the baby away with the bathwater and start again with a new manager - how many years did it take fergiscum to win a premier league?

The victory over United was a good one but it shouldn't paper over the terrible Europe performances. Dortmund and Real can be argued but Ajax cannot.

Why oh why is everyting in our future comapred to that fucking lot? They aren't the only elite club in the world you know! Bayern, Barca, Real, Juventus etc have all kept a steady ship for decades and changed managers.

Many posters want to build and that starts with Europe. Inter Milan made a difficult decision in moving Bobby on, it paid off too, a treble, things have only gone sour because their owner has withdrawn his investments considerably.

Mancini has Fergusons number, no doubt about it, but that's not the be and end all. United are rivals, howvere you get no trophies for beating them. The future is more than beating United and on that basis judgement of the future needs to be across the board rather than across the road. To base Mancini staying on winning against United is narrow minded and short sighted imho. We need to progress in Europe and we can debate all day but facts and stats prove he's found wanting on this aspect of club football.

in what way did I say I was basing anything on beating the scum? I said 3rd, 1st, 2nd in PL and 1 or 2 FA Cups in 3 years? In terms of being narrow minded maybe you could let a day go by without slagging Mancini off? I appreciate that you have a view, and you express it eloquently enough, but why the need to keep repeating it?

In the hope you may realise (and others) that Europe isn't just a side issue but is actually a big issue. As a club we need to progress in that department and Mancini isn't cutting the mustard.

I never slagged Mancini off yesterday and actually complimented him.

Not trying to jinx the Cup game v Chelsea but seriously, if we win it we've had what has been one of the easiest routes to a final in recent memory to be honest. Saying otherwise is twisting truths.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

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[moomba]

Nothing to percieve at all. He's been inadequate in Europe even before he came to us as manager

I'm not sure that's the case. 50% win record with Lazio and Inter, two sides that weren't part of Europe elite.

 

[Manc in London]

With respect mate, Arsenal's unbeaten league winning squad would disagree. Dortmund maybe lack the physical presence of that side, but that's about putting together a squad which carries the balance between technical and physical in particular for the PL. Also they significantly lack depth which has caused them big problems in the league.

From memory, Arsenal did not play to the intensity that Dortmund currently do. As you said Arsenal were a physical side - often overlooked by many. That physicality allowed them to grind out wins while playing well within themselves. Thinking about it, in terms of height and physique, they were a moster of a side - Adams, Campbell, Keown, Bergkamp, Henry, Viera.... Even Pires is a 6 footer.

I just cannot see a team playing the Dortmund way (that is, with the level of intensity they play), in the PL and being able to maintain that level of intensity in the CL.

Overall, I think you do Klopp a bit of a disservice. Two Bundesliga titles on the bounce, including one setting a new league record for points. He's followed those two up with a CL semi final. All with a squad which lets face it, cost a pittance compared to the big four in England or the big two in Spain, or that matter the German rags. Credit where it's due, and that man deserves an awful lot IMO.

I respect Klopp a great deal. He's a passionate football man, intelligent and modest. Beating the German Rags (I am glad someone else uses that description of them. I despise them with a passion) to two successive titles does take some doing, without a doubt. He has also had Dortmund playing some electric stuff.

I don't think I am being unfair on him. He's without doubt a good manager but he has more to do, and needs to overcome more obstacles before he can be regarded as one of the best. It could well be that he is simply the right man, in the right place, at the right time with the right set of players. I guess we will see in the coming years.

 

[notreallyhere]

A lot of people equating building with success in Europe, but surely we have to build from the bottom up not the other way around. We need to be consistently winning league championships and FA cups and learn how to dominate the domestic scene first, then success in Europe will come.

Whether or not Bobby is the man for the job, I'm not sure, but I would think that our owners will err on the side of stability this summer. After all, there is no point sacking Mancini unless we have someone better to take over waiting in the wings, and who is available right now? Would Klopp, De Boer, Pellegrini actually be a step up from Mancini? Ancelotti, Mourinho and Guardiola out of the question.

 

[BlueDejong]

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Pellegrini ?