Mancini fear of failure?

[SWP's back]

And as I have said, in the 7 previous home games (before Fulham), we won 7. Scored 24 and conceded 5.

That was all hardly shit football.

The fact we were missing Kompany, De Jong, Richards, Silva, Johnson, SWP (wasn't fully fit having trained once with a back injury) didn't exactly help us or our tempo.

Certainly Kompany, De Jong and Silva are the heart of our team and with Tevez mis-firing on Sunday, we were not helped.

Sunday was a shit game and shit atmosphere (after the first 10 minutes with the Kippax pllaying with the South Stand), but these things happen.

we haven't played well at home since Villa at home imo, only at sporadic points in certain matches have we really shown what we can do.

I think what we have tended to do is "enough". Like West Brom at home. 3 up early doors and then we relaxed. Pretty much the same Vs Aris. Thinking about it, we did the same in that Villa home game.

I can only put it down to lots of fixtures and players not getting the chance to rotate and rest due to injuries, therefore once the game is won, no point killing ourselves.

You may disagree though winning 7 on the bounce at home is still no mean feat when playing "shit".<br /><br />-- Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:55 am --<br /><br />

yeah at least seven

fnar fnar

-- Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:52 am --

It has yes. But the point still stands.

as it does from the other side too

Then I was right to point it out to a poster telling us to ignore Mancio as he has an agenda.

Don't we all?

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

And some are.

So you don't think Dave, that the money that has come into our possession has changed the very nature of a hell of a lot of fans?

Serious question.

I don't. Shit football is shit football! A crap performance is a crap performance!

The money hasn't changed the fans views and perspectives, our owners have with their plans for our future and the players they have signed for us. Its one thing seeing a Pearce team play shit but when you see a Mancini team play likewise, a man who has won 3 Italian league titles and 11 very expensively assembled players that promise so very much yet constantly deliver a sum much less than their part then yes, people will rightly question and why the fuck not?

When we got taken over, it wasn't a few lads on here that promised we would become the greatest team in the world, it was our owners and it was our senior management team.

They raised the bar, they raised the expectations and its them that now have to deliver.

Sorry blue but this is some spoilt arse approach and frankly all ive seen you do lately is jump on the DD and BS bandwagon - it really is incredible that the more intelligent of the forum, and i put DD and BS in that bracket, seem so blinkered on what development actually means.
The walls will cave in on any structure if people don't stand firm, this negativity is transcended from small minorities at the stadium and filtering on down, it will ultimately cost us........

i wish people would stop thinking they're top class managers and let the man get on with his target - top4

 

[shadygiz]

we haven't played well at home since Villa at home imo, only at sporadic points in certain matches have we really shown what we can do.

I think what we have tended to do is "enough". Like West Brom at home. 3 up early doors and then we relaxed. Pretty much the same Vs Aris. Thinking about it, we did the same in that Villa home game.

I can only put it down to lots of fixtures and players not getting the chance to rotate and rest due to injuries, therefore once the game is won, no point killing ourselves.

You may disagree though winning 7 on the bounce at home is still no mean feat when playing "shit".

why take just our home games though....titles and cups are won home & away

P8 W3 D2 L3 GF12 GA9 GD+3

the last 8 home & away games are shocking viewing by anyones standards, let alone a team pushing for top honours, wouldn't you agree?

 

[blueinsa]

I don't. Shit football is shit football! A crap performance is a crap performance!

The money hasn't changed the fans views and perspectives, our owners have with their plans for our future and the players they have signed for us. Its one thing seeing a Pearce team play shit but when you see a Mancini team play likewise, a man who has won 3 Italian league titles and 11 very expensively assembled players that promise so very much yet constantly deliver a sum much less than their part then yes, people will rightly question and why the fuck not?

When we got taken over, it wasn't a few lads on here that promised we would become the greatest team in the world, it was our owners and it was our senior management team.

They raised the bar, they raised the expectations and its them that now have to deliver.

And as I have said, in the 7 previous home games (before Fulham), we won 7. Scored 24 and conceded 5.

That was all hardly shit football.

The fact we were missing Kompany, De Jong, Richards, Silva, Johnson, SWP (wasn't fully fit having trained once with a back injury) didn't exactly help us or our tempo.

Certainly Kompany, De Jong and Silva are the heart of our team and with Tevez mis-firing on Sunday, we were not helped.

Sunday was a shit game and shit atmosphere (after the first 10 minutes with the Kippax pllaying with the South Stand), but these things happen.

In the last 8 games, i would say there is more than one bad game
P8 W3 D2 L3 GF12 GA9 GD+3 ( thanks Shadygiz )

Our league position is still good...

We are still in the FA cup...

Doing great in the Europa...

On the face all is still rosy but it just isn't. The league is all important this year as failure to qualify for the CL will be a disaster. Performances are dropping off at an alarming rate and if you look at the last 8 games, if we carry that on we wont finish top 4, something they sacked Hughes for as they felt he wouldn't do it and rightly so imo and its something that Bobby could and should also get the bullet for if he fails.

For or against matters not one jot on a forum, its down to one man and his ability to prove that he is the right man in that he can get his squad performing and delivering the promise we all know is there.

Not interested in a lack of numbers excuse and tiredness tbh, that's down to Bobby to manage and had he foreseen the fixture congestion and lets be honest, it isn't a surprise is it, he might have seen fit to keep a few players he decided to let go on loan. Had he been good enough to beat lower league opposition at the first go he would have had less games, again, his job and his problem.

His problem is and many of us see it, he hasn't got the full squad behind him and it will be the death of the guy. Right or wrong matters not one jot again unfortunately. This is Football to coin a phrase of his and he gets paid the bucks to manage every aspect but if he cant get players onside and believing he has no chance. He still doesn't know his strongest 11, he still doesn't know his best formation and some of his signings have let him down badly but again, not our fault or problem, his!

Time will soon tell as to whether he had it in him to get the required job done.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

If you want to play at simplistic playground generalisations, I'd say mamcinis hair and scarf has turned some of our fans into stepford wives.

But it would ruin what is a decent debate. And we all know what you think of us city fans: "shit fans" was the term you used.

And some are.

So you don't think Dave, that the money that has come into our possession has changed the very nature of a hell of a lot of fans?

Serious question.

No I don't think our fan's "nature" has changed, in fact I think it's rather ludicrous to suggest it has. I go every week, it's largely the same people in there reacting in the same way they alwasy have done. Happy when things are going well and unhappy when they're not.

What has changed is the fan's expectations, and quite rightly so. We've spent enough money and have enough quality on board to be challenging right at the very top. To expect this is not "spoilt" behaviour, it's a sensible reaction to our activity on the transfer market over the alst two and half years. Everyone in football knows City should be in the champions league next season after all the investment. The club have made no secret of the fact that it is the be all and end all of this season.

We are in danger of not finishing in the champions league places. 8 weeks ago that would have been unthinkable. Even if that doesn't worry you, it worries me greatly. And it clearly worries Mancini greatly too.

This is not about the fans. It's about the team and the manager.

 

[blueinsa]

I don't. Shit football is shit football! A crap performance is a crap performance!

The money hasn't changed the fans views and perspectives, our owners have with their plans for our future and the players they have signed for us. Its one thing seeing a Pearce team play shit but when you see a Mancini team play likewise, a man who has won 3 Italian league titles and 11 very expensively assembled players that promise so very much yet constantly deliver a sum much less than their part then yes, people will rightly question and why the fuck not?

When we got taken over, it wasn't a few lads on here that promised we would become the greatest team in the world, it was our owners and it was our senior management team.

They raised the bar, they raised the expectations and its them that now have to deliver.

Sorry blue but this is some spoilt arse approach and frankly all ive seen you do lately is jump on the DD and BS bandwagon - it really is incredible that the more intelligent of the forum, and i put DD and BS in that bracket, seem so blinkered on what development actually means.
The walls will cave in on any structure if people don't stand firm, this negativity is transcended from small minorities at the stadium and filtering on down, it will ultimately cost us........

i wish people would stop thinking they're top class managers and let the man get on with his target - top4

Zin i base my opinions mate on what i see on the pitch and i always will do.

Bobby has a clear brief and if he delivers, great, its a win, win for all of us.

Debate on this forum will have no bearing or impact on that task, more his ability to get a side out on that pitch that is capable of delivering the goods.

Down to you Bobby.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

I think what we have tended to do is "enough". Like West Brom at home. 3 up early doors and then we relaxed. Pretty much the same Vs Aris. Thinking about it, we did the same in that Villa home game.

I can only put it down to lots of fixtures and players not getting the chance to rotate and rest due to injuries, therefore once the game is won, no point killing ourselves.

You may disagree though winning 7 on the bounce at home is still no mean feat when playing "shit".

why take just our home games though....titles and cups are won home & away

P8 W3 D2 L3 GF12 GA9 GD+3

the last 8 home & away games are shocking viewing by anyones standards, let alone a team pushing for top honours, wouldn't you agree?

chelsea also have a clueless manager

P9 W4 L4 D1 GF15 GA9 GD+6

We are simply feeling the bite of key injuries, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[SWP's back]

I think what we have tended to do is "enough". Like West Brom at home. 3 up early doors and then we relaxed. Pretty much the same Vs Aris. Thinking about it, we did the same in that Villa home game.

I can only put it down to lots of fixtures and players not getting the chance to rotate and rest due to injuries, therefore once the game is won, no point killing ourselves.

You may disagree though winning 7 on the bounce at home is still no mean feat when playing "shit".

why take just our home games though....titles and cups are won home & away

P8 W3 D2 L3 GF12 GA9 GD+3

the last 8 home & away games are shocking viewing by anyones standards, let alone a team pushing for top honours, wouldn't you agree?

I wouldn't say it is great form no. Nobody could. However, I would not say that the wheels have come completely off. We are not experiencing the same thing Chelsea went through (and continue to do so in the league).

We have had injuries. We have looked tired. We have our best players coming back over the next few days. If we are still in this form come the end of March then our season will be pretty much over.

I am confident that will not happen. If I am wrong then god help us all and I shall be just as gutted as the rest. But I don't see how negativity on here cleanses the soul when no one is in a position to see the future. No one in their right mind would sack the manager now, and I don't see anyone advocating that so why not sympathise with our current "plight". We have been in far worse scrapes.

 

[johnny crossan]

Sorry blue but this is some spoilt arse approach and frankly all ive seen you do lately is jump on the DD and BS bandwagon - it really is incredible that the more intelligent of the forum, and i put DD and BS in that bracket, seem so blinkered on what development actually means.
The walls will cave in on any structure if people don't stand firm, this negativity is transcended from small minorities at the stadium and filtering on down, it will ultimately cost us........

This is already happening, witness the boos at the end of Saturday's game. I despair of these "loyal fans" - and their equivalent on here - for you to consider those two sad egotists as the more intelligent on the forum says it all really Zin.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Sorry blue but this is some spoilt arse approach and frankly all ive seen you do lately is jump on the DD and BS bandwagon - it really is incredible that the more intelligent of the forum, and i put DD and BS in that bracket, seem so blinkered on what development actually means.
The walls will cave in on any structure if people don't stand firm, this negativity is transcended from small minorities at the stadium and filtering on down, it will ultimately cost us........

i wish people would stop thinking they're top class managers and let the man get on with his target - top4

Zin i base my opinions mate on what i see on the pitch and i always will do.

Bobby has a clear brief and if he delivers, great, its a win, win for all of us.

Debate on this forum will have no bearing or impact on that task, more his ability to get a side out on that pitch that is capable of delivering the goods.

Down to you Bobby.

And you believe 13 months (in any job) is sufficient time to transform a clubs mentality? -

You know my opinion on Jose, it would wrench me to part with bobby but men like this don't come along to often, he is the greatest coach since the cun* up the road came to town, a marvel but i for one don't believe for a second he will come and i was one of the biggest advocates that he would, however as much as we kid ourselves sometimes, if that job is offered to him in trafford over ours he will take that, and trust me, if we are anywhere near clinching him he'll be offered it and we will lose him.