Well I couldn't disagree any more stronger but I doubt either of us will convince the other to change their stance so we may as well agree to disagree.<br /><br />-- Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:09 pm --<br /><br />KippaxCitizen said:There's no such thing as luck. Things just happen. Nobody sprinkles magic luck dust over the ball as it's about to be defected three times on the way into the ball after a miskick.
We took our chance that day against United and they didn't take theirs. Therefore we fully deserved to win that game.
One may argue we had the best squad last season also??taconinja said:Not with this squad compared to what we had and it would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise.SWP's back said:I'd find it rather odd if anyone didn't.The cookie monster said:Well lets hope pellegrini can take us from second to first..
Of course 2nd to 1st in one's first season, implementing your own style is harder than coming in for half a season and then cracking on the following season isn't it.
If one were so inclined. Overall they would be right, too. You seem to mistake me for someone who thinks Mancini shouldn't have been sent packing. He lost the dressing room. You tend not to recover from that. The idea that he only deserves a "token of credit" (said early in the discussion) or that we don't have a remarkably better squad than we did when Mancini arrived (Ireland, Bellamy, Adebayor, etc. versus Negredo, Aguero, Navas, Silva, Toure, Nasri, etc.) is asinine.SWP's back said:Well I couldn't disagree any more stronger but I doubt either of us will convince the other to change their stance so we may as well agree to disagree.KippaxCitizen said:There's no such thing as luck. Things just happen. Nobody sprinkles magic luck dust over the ball as it's about to be defected three times on the way into the ball after a miskick.
We took our chance that day against United and they didn't take theirs. Therefore we fully deserved to win that game.
-- Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:09 pm --
One may argue we had the best squad last season also??taconinja said:Not with this squad compared to what we had and it would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise.SWP's back said:I'd find it rather odd if anyone didn't.
Of course 2nd to 1st in one's first season, implementing your own style is harder than coming in for half a season and then cracking on the following season isn't it.
Shaelumstash said:Neville Kneville said:Shaelumstash said:What the hell are you going on about? Don't be blinded by scoring lots of goals
That's one of the funniest things I've ever read.
Either you've got a strange sense of humour or you didn't understand my point.
Scoring 7 against Norwich doesn't make up for losing to Cardiff, Villa and Sunderland. I'd have rather won all of those games 1-0, even though we'd have scored 4 less.
It's points on the board that counts, and as I pointed out earlier, we're 4 points behind our title winning form at the same stage of the season. We've probably scored 20 more goals, but I'd much rather have the points.
Agreed. What we need now is a Pellegrini. What we needed then was a Mancini. I don't feel that it would have worked if you switched the two at either time. That's good work by the executives in charge, by the way. You have to be able to spot when someone is the right person to do the job and what their shelf life is.Puppet Master Silva said:Not read the thread because I get the feeling there will be lots of annoying posts comparing Pellers and Bobby, I just wanted to say that we should all be grateful for what Mancini did for our club, he took us up to that next level of Champions League football, even if he didn't get it right in his actual Champions League performances. The players that he signed are fantastic players and Pelligrini is now getting the most out of them due to how good of a coach and man manager he is. All I'm saying is we should never forget what Mancini did for us regardless of how good we are right now, he was a huge part in the history of this club.
I'd rather we play like we do now than do a Jose and bore games to death.Ducado said:Shaelumstash said:Neville Kneville said:That's one of the funniest things I've ever read.
Either you've got a strange sense of humour or you didn't understand my point.
Scoring 7 against Norwich doesn't make up for losing to Cardiff, Villa and Sunderland. I'd have rather won all of those games 1-0, even though we'd have scored 4 less.
It's points on the board that counts, and as I pointed out earlier, we're 4 points behind our title winning form at the same stage of the season. We've probably scored 20 more goals, but I'd much rather have the points.
Your making the common mistake of extrapolating results from the past, it's not a valid argument because there are so many variables you can add, such as other teams strengthening, new managers, change of system etc
I had nothing against Mancini and I am grateful for all he did, however I can honestly say that I have never enjoyed watching us play as I am at the moment, I look forward to every game I go to, it's the sort of football that most of us have always dreamed of watching
Puppet Master Silva said:Not read the thread because I get the feeling there will be lots of annoying twats comparing Pellers and Bobby, I just wanted to say that we should all be grateful for what Mancini did for our club, he took us up to that next level of Champions League football, even if he didn't get it right in his actual Champions League performances. The players that he signed are fantastic players and Pelligrini is now getting the most out of them due to how good of a coach and man manager he is. All I'm saying is we should never forget what Mancini did for us regardless of how good we are right now, he was a huge part in the history of this club.
taconinja said:If one were so inclined. Overall they would be right, too. You seem to mistake me for someone who thinks Mancini shouldn't have been sent packing. He lost the dressing room. You tend not to recover from that. The idea that he only deserves a "token of credit" (said early in the discussion) or that we don't have a remarkably better squad than we did when Mancini arrived (Ireland, Bellamy, Adebayor, etc. versus Negredo, Aguero, Navas, Silva, Toure, Nasri, etc.) is asinine.SWP's back said:Well I couldn't disagree any more stronger but I doubt either of us will convince the other to change their stance so we may as well agree to disagree.KippaxCitizen said:There's no such thing as luck. Things just happen. Nobody sprinkles magic luck dust over the ball as it's about to be defected three times on the way into the ball after a miskick.
We took our chance that day against United and they didn't take theirs. Therefore we fully deserved to win that game.
-- Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:09 pm --
One may argue we had the best squad last season also??taconinja said:Not with this squad compared to what we had and it would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise.