Mancini out? (merged)

[crystal_mais]

Sacking Mancini at the end of the summer is suicidal for our club moving forward.
 
Like others have mentioned, we need the players who will fight for the shirt and show passion each and every week. Possessing a manager who demands respect and is in control is a key factor in getting the players to show the above traits each week. At the moment, I don’t feel the players believe Mancini will be here next summer, and they are playing accordingly.
 
We need the board to publicly back Mancini….and then if player A or player B don’t like it or don’t want to fight for their future here, then they can f*ck right off.
 
What would happen at Everton or United if a player showed disrespect, caused upheaval or didn’t show any spirit? They’d be out the door….
That’s why I would rather have stability in management rather than the playing group

Can I ask why Everton?

The only thing I would say is Bobby needs to learn about how to manage the modern day footballer - I suspect there a quite a few who have had enough of him. There must be some justifiable reason for this.

The Tevez affair became extremely messy last year. Although Tevez was at fault, the story peddled by Mancini was not entirely true. His version of events was not exactly the players version of events.

I just hope there are no cliques and different factions within the dressing room. You just can't go and get rid of all the players.

 

[bapi]

Actually Soriano wrote there they had to sack Rijkaard sooner because there was nothing left what he could offer to Barca. Yes, they wanted some changes but he wasn't able to do them so once that season was finished he was sacked.

 

[Ray78]

I don't see Mancini turning this situation around and I am not talking about retaining the title.

 

[baildon blue]

I don't see Mancini turning this situation around and I am not talking about retaining the title.

I agree looks like the dressing room as had enough of him.

 

[Mancini Manus Domini]

Actually Soriano wrote there they had to sack Rijkaard sooner because there was nothing left what he could offer to Barca. Yes, they wanted some changes but he wasn't able to do them so once that season was finished he was sacked.

They identified his managerial style was fine initially but needed to change once they'd become champions. This they asked Rijkaard do and tried to help him but he didn't manage it. The key fact for me was that they tried to help Rijkaard through a barren patch rather than sack him at the first opportunity.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It's a really difficult one for me and I've been contemplating it a little over the course of the weekend.

I don't believe in chopping and changing, but stability isn't always a panacea either. Ignoring united as that is a unique situation, you can look to Spurs and compare them to Arsenal. Changing their manager regularly hasn't prevented Tottenham overtaking their North London rivals in most people's eyes.

The key thing is knowing when a manger has run out of ideas, lost influence with the squad and impetus on the pitch.

Are we there with Mancini? I remain yet to be convinced, but I'm starting to have creeping doubts about him I must confess.

Sunday takes on "massive" proportions now, that's for sure.

 

[QuickSilva]

i'm not giving up on roberto yet. this all sounds like deja vu this time last season.

yes he has made mistakes in the tactics, transfers and squad selection but the players have let him down as well as us recently

 

[Ray78]

i'm not giving up on roberto yet. this all sounds like deja vu this time last season.

yes he has made mistakes in the tactics, transfers and squad selection but the players have let him down as well as us recently

He hasn't learned from last seasons' mistakes. If he did then I would of been more convinced he will be here for the long haul.

 

[Mancini Manus Domini]

I don't see Mancini turning this situation around and I am not talking about retaining the title.

Success is not final failure is not fatal it is the courage to continue that counts

 

[baildon blue]

It's a really difficult one for me and I've been contemplating it a little over the course of the weekend.

I don't believe in chopping and changing, but stability isn't always a panacea either. Ignoring united as that is a unique situation, you can look to Spurs and compare them to Arsenal. Changing their manager regularly hasn't prevented Tottenham overtaking their North London rivals in most people's eyes.

The key thing is knowing when a manger has run out of ideas, lost influence with the squad and impetus on the pitch.

Are we there with Mancini? I remain yet to be convinced, but I'm starting to have creeping doubts about him I must confess.
I remember Derek Nimo and he was quite boring.Dont compare yourself to him gordon coz your not boring
Sunday takes on "massive" proportions now, that's for sure.

 

[Ray78]

I don't see Mancini turning this situation around and I am not talking about retaining the title.

Success is not final failure is not fatal it is the courage to continue that counts

Mancini hasn't learned a single thing from his mistakes and I would of been happy for us to progress in Europe.

 

[Ducado]

It's a really difficult one for me and I've been contemplating it a little over the course of the weekend.

I don't believe in chopping and changing, but stability isn't always a panacea either. Ignoring united as that is a unique situation, you can look to Spurs and compare them to Arsenal. Changing their manager regularly hasn't prevented Tottenham overtaking their North London rivals in most people's eyes.

The key thing is knowing when a manger has run out of ideas, lost influence with the squad and impetus on the pitch.

Are we there with Mancini? I remain yet to be convinced, but I'm starting to have creeping doubts about him I must confess.

Sunday takes on "massive" proportions now, that's for sure.

And that I think is the opinion of most Blues

 

[Golden Balls]

Why Everton? Because before Moyes instilled some stability into the club, they were faltering and were on the verge of relegation. Under Smith, they were one of the most uninspiring and lackluster teams, finishing 14th in 99/00, 16th in 00/01 and were in 01/02, were in the drop zone in March before Moyes came in and ensured their survivial.
 
Since then the club has turned around, everyone knows that Moyes is the manager win, lose or draw. Every player from reserve to first team knows this and give tremendous respect to Moyes.
 
If Mancini can have the same positional sense in the club as Moyes does at Everton, we will be lightyears ahead as a club to where we are now...

 

[Marvin]

I don't see Mancini turning this situation around and I am not talking about retaining the title.

Success is not final failure is not fatal it is the courage to continue that counts

Mancini hasn't learned a single thing from his mistakes and I would of been happy for us to progress in Europe.

All these trite assertions with little or no back-up.

There are many reasons why we've not done as well as last season - see the thread on it. Most out of the control of the manager. It's the subject of the other topic but here's a few:

Injuries to Kompany, Aguero, Richards.
Loss of form of Tevez with no alternative
Sale of players like De Jong, AJ and Balotelli

You could have Brian Clough or Guardiola in charge, anyone you want, they'd have all found this season more challenging than the last because of issues such as the above.

 

[crb]

I don't speak for everyone just myself, I don't want instant success or world domination or anything like that I just want to see our players play to a lvl fitting there ability. We seen early last season what our team is capable of, its a bar we set ourselves yet failed to keep hold of were regressing under mancini not improving.

Our players have no balls? Wrong its Bobby that needs to grow a pair, his fear of losing/conceding is costing us both in terms of points, performance and prevents the development of any fringe players/youngsters. We play like robots our play is laboured, slow,unimaginative & uninspiring. It's no wonder the players look so unenthusiastic would be like being the worlds greatest gardener and being put on weeding duty.

It beggars belief how he is so well regarded he won the league with the most expensive ever assembled in a league where the standard is at its all time lowest, and even then it was a struggle. United are looking at a record points haul, cos there team is so good? No, cos the league is so WEAK!

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

sorry but this is absute rubbish we've been embarrassed in the champs league and not played well all season and to top it off mancini slating players off in public something fergie would never do! If united went out of champs league like the way we did they would be calling for fergie to retire. With that said comparing mancini to fergie is ludicrous!

26 posts, guff about Taggart, use of the word bitter. Bore off back to the swamp

go fuck yourself with your pathetic rag comments, unless you've got something constructive to say to me regarding my posts then don't speak to me idiot

Can't say as I'm sorry, given that hysterical response. You got labelled a rag by several people (not just me) precisely because with just 26 posts to your name, your whimsical tale of your wife calling you "bitter" cos you "hate the rags so much", and your comparison of Taggart and Mancini, you bore all the hallmarks of one. If you can't see that I can't help you. Good luck to you if you're a Blue, but this site has numerous bellend visitors from Planet Stretford I'm afraid and you send the old nostrils a-twitching

 

[Ray78]

Why Everton? Because before Moyes instilled some stability into the club, they were faltering and were on the verge of relegation. Under Smith, they were one of the most uninspiring and lackluster teams, finishing 14th in 99/00, 16th in 00/01 and were in 01/02, were in the drop zone in March before Moyes came in and ensured their survivial.
 
Since then the club has turned around, everyone knows that Moyes is the manager win, lose or draw. Every player from reserve to first team knows this and give tremendous respect to Moyes.
 
If Mancini can have the same positional sense in the club as Moyes does at Everton, we will be lightyears ahead as a club to where we are now...

Moyes has divided opinion amongst the Everton supporters.

 

[manimanc]

You may got a pm from moody rag,nailing his colours to the mast and requiring a meet up for his troubles..
We got an influx of these giddy fuckers after arsenal away last year,12 pts in front and look at all the new posters...
It's laughable!!

 

[Ray78]

Success is not final failure is not fatal it is the courage to continue that counts

Mancini hasn't learned a single thing from his mistakes and I would of been happy for us to progress in Europe.

All these trite assertions with little or no back-up.

There are many reasons why we've not done as well as last season - see the thread on it. Most out of the control of the manager. It's the subject of the other topic but here's a few:

Injuries to Kompany, Aguero, Richards.
Loss of form of Tevez with no alternative
Sale of players like De Jong, AJ and Balotelli

You could have Brian Clough or Guardiola in charge, anyone you want, they'd have all found this season more challenging than the last because of issues such as the above.

All 3 had to be sold as they were unsettled. And we still had a squad that was built to cope with the losses, and how did the rags do last season with the injuries they had last season? No excuses.

 

[Utter bobbins]

Mancini hasn't learned a single thing from his mistakes and I would of been happy for us to progress in Europe.

All these trite assertions with little or no back-up.

There are many reasons why we've not done as well as last season - see the thread on it. Most out of the control of the manager. It's the subject of the other topic but here's a few:

Injuries to Kompany, Aguero, Richards.
Loss of form of Tevez with no alternative
Sale of players like De Jong, AJ and Balotelli

You could have Brian Clough or Guardiola in charge, anyone you want, they'd have all found this season more challenging than the last because of issues such as the above.

All 3 had to be sold as they were unsettled. And we still had a squad that was built to cope with the losses. No excuses.

2 were average 1 was an accident waiting to happen