Mancini out? (merged)

[taconinja]

I'm amused that Dave is now the champion of the "We're all Blues!" club now that he thinks there's a good chance he'll get what he's wanted for years, especially as he spent a sizable chunk of last year snarling at the entire forum about how much all of us suck donkey balls as fans.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Cheers DD, its pissing me off how people assume and put down and see themselves as some higher level fan/poster.

Shitty attitude and ****.

@sthelensblue. Is TH to blame for us not selling Dzeko and Mario last summer for good money? Come on mate low blow and you're better than that.

Tbh tolmie hasnt done anything wrong he has merely said jose is interested in coming to us
He also pointed out that jose has fucked our club over twice,so the sheikh would have a tough decision to make..

Not a good choice of phrase.

He declined the opportunity to become manager. He never fucked us over. He was offered a Job and refused.

That's life.

That wasnt my phrase it was tolmies earlier,and that lad knows his onions
So obviously something has happened in the past.

 

[FantasyIreland]

I'm amused that Dave is now the champion of the "We're all Blues!" club now that he thinks there's a good chance he'll get what he's wanted for years, especially as he spent a sizable chunk of last year snarling at the entire forum about how much all of us suck donkey balls as fans.

I dont think he is anything of the sort and nor would he want to be.

Like plenty,he can see light at the end of a collapsing tunnel.

Mourhino is another level,he has an aura,a presence and charisma Mancini can only dream of.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Jose is having a pint with Tolmie tonight. Honestly.

You have come into a football conversation and are posting silly comments and pictures like a 15 year old boy in a Dungeons and Dragons forum. Can't you go back to The Cellar and leave the grown ups to talk instead of posting inane playground stuff and making a fool of yourself?

Have you no self-awareness whatsoever?

Dungeons and Dragons?

A fantasy world where good and evil are in a perpetual and seemingly never ending battle for victory.

Sounds a bit like this thread.

Not sure which side is which, mind......

 

[Nixon_The_Bike_Thief]

Theoretical scenarios are silly, fella, with respect.

Is the talk of José to City and what he may achieve not also all theoretical at this point, seeing as all discussions are based on speculation and rumour from various sources of varying reliability ? There is nothing factual that I am aware of that supports any of the Pro José to City scenarios, It is 100% fact that Roberto Mancini is our current manager.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I am definitely the biggest blue on here.

No i am

Apart from you, I meant.

 

[NipHolmes]

Thats why football opinions will always difer
There was a long thread on rodwell how city fans were glad he was back
Most thinking this lad is going to be pretty special
And then a few saying he's a waste of space

Thats football fans you.
I honestly dont know how folk can judge him on a couple of games.

There's nothing to say Rodwell will be special and there's nothing to say he will be shit.

Game time and injury free season will help us learn more.

Promising player but impossible to say anything else.

I personally like his tackles but not his lack of awareness when it comes to passing. He has a bit of power and tracks back well. Time will tell. Anyone comparing to such and such needs to lend me the crystal ball for tonight Euromillions draw.

Im sorry i just dont see what he adds to the side,and Garcia is another mystery who brings fuck all to the squad.

Garcia is a terrible buy. No pace and no great passer of the ball. Compare him to Mascherano :( Does a job but we need an upgrade on Barry that can defend well, has a burst of pace and can deliver a great ball. Instead we get a bloke who makes short passes and is slow. Aaaarrgggghh!

Rodwell too (for his injury record pre City) but at least he offers youth and squad depth. I did watch Yaya bypass him v Dortmund, no confidence in him so I wait to judge. I do like his tenacity though. He's young and can improve. Time will tell.

 

[pudge]

Jose is having a pint with Tolmie tonight. Honestly.

You have come into a football conversation and are posting silly comments and pictures like a 15 year old boy in a Dungeons and Dragons forum. Can't you go back to The Cellar and leave the grown ups to talk instead of posting inane playground stuff and making a fool of yourself?

Have you no self-awareness whatsoever?

There's a lot of silly comments disguised as "football conversation" in this thread.

In fact, there's about 280 pages worth.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Tbh tolmie hasnt done anything wrong he has merely said jose is interested in coming to us
He also pointed out that jose has fucked our club over twice,so the sheikh would have a tough decision to make..

Not a good choice of phrase.

He declined the opportunity to become manager. He never fucked us over. He was offered a Job and refused.

That's life.

That wasnt my phrase it was tolmies earlier,and that lad knows his onions
So obviously something has happened in the past.

It's been discussed time after time on this forum over the years that we've been in discussion with Jose Mourinho on a couple of occasions. Many believe that he verbally accepted then did a u-turn to join Real Madrid at the end of Mancini's first half-season. Tolm is referring to this. Tolm is also alluding to the fact that him coming to us, rather than the other way round, changes the dynamic somewhat.

 

[taconinja]

I'm amused that Dave is now the champion of the "We're all Blues!" club now that he thinks there's a good chance he'll get what he's wanted for years, especially as he spent a sizable chunk of last year snarling at the entire forum about how much all of us suck donkey balls as fans.

I dont think he is anything of the sort and nor would he want to be.

Like plenty,he can see light at the end of a collapsing tunnel.

Mourhino is another level,he has an aura,a presence and charisma Mancini can only dream of.

Of course Mourinho is. Whether he fits with our upper level executives is the only question really.

Has nothing to do with cynical about-faces some do whenever things are or aren't going their way.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Tbh tolmie hasnt done anything wrong he has merely said jose is interested in coming to us
He also pointed out that jose has fucked our club over twice,so the sheikh would have a tough decision to make..

Not a good choice of phrase.

He declined the opportunity to become manager. He never fucked us over. He was offered a Job and refused.

That's life.

That wasnt my phrase it was tolmies earlier,and that lad knows his onions
So obviously something has happened in the past.

I may be wrong but i seem to remember the inference that he may have used our name in order to further propel himself in the direction of Madrid.

 

[CityCTID]

Here's how txiki/City has reacted to ........ "Jose Mourinho wanted our Job"


The Mourinho maelstrom is too destructive for Manchester

By MARTIN SAMUEL


Every few years brings a Summer of Jose. 2004 was one, 2010 too. And Jose Mourinho has been working very hard to recreate the phenomenon in 2013.
A Summer of Jose is when all eyes are on the Special One. Where is he going, what is he doing? There are Jose sightings, Jose statements, Jose ploys, plays and schemes and, finally, a great Jose festival held in a major European city, with him as headline act.
It is like Glastonbury, minus the hippies. This Summer of Jose, however, risks being an unsatisfying affair, as doors close and options decrease.


There is a distinct absence of spectacle, and at least one dead end. Mourinho will not be the next manager of Manchester City.
As Rafael Benitez would say: fact. It is a dangerous game, denying Jose. He is capable of extraordinary narratives. He won the Champions League with Porto. He steered Inter Milan past Barcelona with 10 men.
The La Liga table suggests Real are not even the best team in Madrid right now, let alone Spain, yet could anyone say with absolute certainty that they will not be present at Wembley on May 25?
Mourinho is one of the great coaches of this or any era. He is one of only three managers to win the European Cup with two different clubs, and one of only four to have won the league in four countries (Tomislav Ivic won titles in six, although it could be suggested that Portugal, England, Italy and Spain for Mourinho trumps Yugoslavia, Holland, Belgium, Greece, Portugal and Spain for Ivic).
Yet there is no way in for him at City, even if the capitulation this season spells the end for Roberto Mancini. The Barcelona influence at the club - chief executive Ferran Soriano and director of football Txiki Begiristain - are too settled on treating Mourinho as the enemy.

Their reports to Sheik Mansour will paint him as a negative, disruptive individual, harmful to the good name of the club. And that name is important.
It is why Abu Dhabi's royal family bought Manchester City in the first place. Even without the disquiet at executive level, Mourinho was going to be a hard sell. The region and its rulers are now associated worldwide with English football and are happy with the link.
City have largely been successful, and even when they haven't, Mancini's odd spat with Carlos Tevez or a referee has not adversely affected their reputation.
Abu Dhabi's representatives are content for their football club to be the ice-breaker in rooms of the great and good.

Unwelcome: Even if Roberto Mancini leaves City, the ex-Barcelona hierarchy would not see Mourinho as an option


How is the team going?' a well-briefed president will ask, and the conversation eases from there to more serious matters of state.
There would not be such comfort around a fresh episode of touchline eyepoking, as occurred against Barcelona in 2011. 'How's that manager of yours, half-blinded anyone lately?' does not have the same ring to it.
City want to be seen to be successful, but they also want to be seen behaving in the correct manner. The representative who made gauche claims about buying Cristiano Ronaldo on the day of the Abu Dhabi takeover has not been heard from since.


City have spent big and make no apologies for it, but the club has no debt, is embarking on a project that will benefit the local community and does not sack two managers each year.

The owners are intent on projecting the right image and were wary of Mourinho's dark reputation long before his adversaries, late of Barcelona, offered confirmation. It has been argued that Mourinho would not have gone to City anyway, knowing it would end his chances of employment across the road.
Yet, increasingly, messages from inside Old Trafford suggest the club has similar misgivings about Mourinho's reputation.

No way, Jose: City director of football Txiki Begiristain (left) and chief executive Ferran Soriano (right)

Read more: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2277745/Martin-Samuel-Jose-Mourinho-destructive-Manchester-United-City.html#ixzz2LXhBlIeN" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z2LXhBlIeN</a>

 

[taconinja]

Not a good choice of phrase.

He declined the opportunity to become manager. He never fucked us over. He was offered a Job and refused.

That's life.

That wasnt my phrase it was tolmies earlier,and that lad knows his onions
So obviously something has happened in the past.

I may be wrong but i seem to remember the inference that he may have used our name in order to further propel himself in the direction of Madrid.

That was the prevailing sentiment among a lot of journalists with connections to the involved parties.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Not a good choice of phrase.

He declined the opportunity to become manager. He never fucked us over. He was offered a Job and refused.

That's life.

That wasnt my phrase it was tolmies earlier,and that lad knows his onions
So obviously something has happened in the past.

It's been discussed time after time on this forum over the years that we've been in discussion with Jose Mourinho on a couple of occasions. Many believe that he verbally accepted then did a u-turn to join Real Madrid at the end of Mancini's first half-season. Tolm is referring to this. Tolm is also alluding to the fact that him coming to us, rather than the other way round, changes the dynamic somewhat.

Right i see
Thats why the end decision if we ever do go for mourinho will ultimately come from the sheikh imo.

 

[flb]

I'm with St Helens on this one. It is really embarassing.

We are 2nd in the league and in the quarter final of the FA CUP? Get him out! get him out right now!!! If that wasn't bad enough we are reigning Premier League champions and he always took the FA cup for us.

The people like this are not just a thorn in the game of football but a thorn in society.

As bad as the Arsenal fans calling Wenger a twat and a moron. Have some patience you pathetic child minded brats.

Im afraid fella that winning the FA Cup this time around wont satisfy our owners and rightly so, winning it as our first pot in 37 years was big for us at that time but now (Is beating Watford,Leeds and Barnsley an achievment?) we have moved on a level certainly after winning the PL anyway.Its the CL campaign thats cooked his goose which frankly was an embarrasment in the way we went out.

By all accounts he losing the dressing room, when that happens your donald ducked.

Exactly just look at real madrid :)

Fair point, the Spanish contingent dont like him-but he doesnt like Spain though either.When it comes to man management hes streets ahead of Mancini,ask any Porto,Chelsea or Inter player what they thought of him after he left.

This guy will get that extra 20% our of our squad that is so obviously lacking,its that 20% extra that wins you pots-when a manager like Ferguson holds him in high regard then im afraid we should be intertested.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Right i see
Thats why the end decision if we ever do go for mourinho will ultimately come from the sheikh imo.

Now I think you are onto the truth there. Khaldoon will be important too.

 

[taconinja]

Im afraid fella that winning the FA Cup this time around wont satisfy our owners and rightly so, winning it as our first pot in 37 years was big for us at that time but now (Is beating Watford,Leeds and Barnsley an achievment?) we have moved on a level certainly after winning the PL anyway.Its the CL campaign thats cooked his goose which frankly was an embarrasment in the way we went out.

By all accounts he losing the dressing room, when that happens your donald ducked.

Exactly just look at real madrid :)

Fair point, the Spanish contingent dont like him-but he doesnt like Spain though either.When it comes to man management hes streets ahead of Mancini,ask any Porto,Chelsea or Inter player what they thought of him after he left.

This guy will get that extra 20% our of our squad that is so obviously lacking,its that 20% extra that wins you pots-when a manager like Ferguson holds him in high regard then im afraid we should be intertested.

He's also having problems with the Portuguese contingent as well now.

Look I think Mourinho is a great manager and could do wonders at City, but we should always keep in mind that he has his flaws as well; otherwise, we're just setting ourselves up for even more drama if he does come.<br /><br />-- Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:15 am --<br /><br />

Right i see
Thats why the end decision if we ever do go for mourinho will ultimately come from the sheikh imo.

Now I think you are onto the truth there. Khaldoon will be important too.

That actually is a worst case scenario. You don't go and hire two ex-Barca muckety-mucks to run everything and at the first critical juncture, hamstring them. You especially don't want to do that when you're bringing in a manager who has a track record of setting himself up in opposition to executives in a club and using power plays to insulate himself from criticism.

 

[George Hannah]

In the present circumstances speculation on Bob's future is fully justified in my opinion. I just sincerely hope no Mou enthusiasts are wanting us to lose on Sunday and the Rags to beat Madrid next week in order to improve the chances of their dreams coming true.

 

[taconinja]

In the present circumstances speculation on Bob's future is fully justified in my opinion. I just sincerely hope no Mou enthusiasts are wanting us to lose on Sunday and the Rags to beat Madrid next week in order to improve the chances of their dreams coming true.

Never. I want us to win every match, and I want Madrid to take them to the cleaners.

 

[Scareye]

In the present circumstances speculation on Bob's future is fully justified in my opinion. I just sincerely hope no Mou enthusiasts are wanting us to lose on Sunday and the Rags to beat Madrid next week in order to improve the chances of their dreams coming true.

I'd be very surprised if there is a single person on this forum who would want City to lose just to prove a point!!!