Mancini out? (merged)

[Rolee]

Im afraid fella that winning the FA Cup this time around wont satisfy our owners and rightly so, winning it as our first pot in 37 years was big for us at that time but now (Is beating Watford,Leeds and Barnsley an achievment?) we have moved on a level certainly after winning the PL anyway.Its the CL campaign thats cooked his goose which frankly was an embarrasment in the way we went out.

By all accounts he losing the dressing room, when that happens your donald ducked.

Exactly just look at real madrid :)

Fair point, the Spanish contingent dont like him-but he doesnt like Spain though either.When it comes to man management hes streets ahead of Mancini,ask any Porto,Chelsea or Inter player what they thought of him after he left.

This guy will get that extra 20% our of our squad that is so obviously lacking,its that 20% extra that wins you pots-when a manager like Ferguson holds him in high regard then im afraid we should be intertested.

Interesting you should suggest that Ferguson's opinion counts for something here. This is from a Dan Taylor article

'The most revealing moment occurred at Ferguson's 25th anniversary celebration dinner in November, 11 days after what is known now in Manchester as simply 'the 6-1.' An interviewer asked Ferguson if he knew how many City managers there had been during his quarter of a century in the job. He shook his head. 'Fourteen,' came the answer. Ferguson didn't hesitate. 'Well, I wish it was 15.'

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Exactly just look at real madrid :)

Fair point, the Spanish contingent dont like him-but he doesnt like Spain though either.When it comes to man management hes streets ahead of Mancini,ask any Porto,Chelsea or Inter player what they thought of him after he left.

This guy will get that extra 20% our of our squad that is so obviously lacking,its that 20% extra that wins you pots-when a manager like Ferguson holds him in high regard then im afraid we should be intertested.

He's also having problems with the Portuguese contingent as well now.

Look I think Mourinho is a great manager and could do wonders at City, but we should always keep in mind that he has his flaws as well; otherwise, we're just setting ourselves up for even more drama if he does come.

-- Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:15 am --

Right i see
Thats why the end decision if we ever do go for mourinho will ultimately come from the sheikh imo.

Now I think you are onto the truth there. Khaldoon will be important too.

That actually is a worst case scenario. You don't go and hire two ex-Barca muckety-mucks to run everything and at the first critical juncture, hamstring them. You especially don't want to do that when you're bringing in a manager who has a track record of setting himself up in opposition to executives in a club and using power plays to insulate himself from criticism.

Its a pretty big decision though mate so i think the sheikh will be involved
Especially if it is true and he went back on his word to manage us a couple of years ago.

 

[flb]

Exactly just look at real madrid :)

Fair point, the Spanish contingent dont like him-but he doesnt like Spain though either.When it comes to man management hes streets ahead of Mancini,ask any Porto,Chelsea or Inter player what they thought of him after he left.

This guy will get that extra 20% our of our squad that is so obviously lacking,its that 20% extra that wins you pots-when a manager like Ferguson holds him in high regard then im afraid we should be intertested.

He's also having problems with the Portuguese contingent as well now.

Look I think Mourinho is a great manager and could do wonders at City, but we should always keep in mind that he has his flaws as well; otherwise, we're just setting ourselves up for even more drama if he does come.

Of course fella, every new manager is a gamble, but its a bigger gamble in giving Mancini another 2 seasons to see if he can go the next step.

Where do we draw the line with Mancini, give him another season to buy mediocre players and filling our squad with players who dont perform for him.

Hart,Richards,Lescott,Kompany,De Jong,Barry,Zabaleta and Tevez were all players he inherited-arguably the back bone of the side that won him the title.

Aguero,Yaya,Silva,Nastasic are the players that he bought that are good enough and fit in to his style of play.

Whilst Savic,Nasri,Dzeko,Balotelli,Kolorov,Sinclair,Garcia and arguably Rodwell are extremely queastionable signings to say the least.

A big big gamble for me if we keep Mancini-one we cant afford to take.

 

[Josh Blue]

Winning the FA cup is not enough haha! If we do win it (which obviously everyone wants) Mancini will not lose his job. We would be the laughing stock of football and rightfully so. You don't know what the owners are thinking so don't pretend you do.

 

[taconinja]

Fair point, the Spanish contingent dont like him-but he doesnt like Spain though either.When it comes to man management hes streets ahead of Mancini,ask any Porto,Chelsea or Inter player what they thought of him after he left.

This guy will get that extra 20% our of our squad that is so obviously lacking,its that 20% extra that wins you pots-when a manager like Ferguson holds him in high regard then im afraid we should be intertested.

He's also having problems with the Portuguese contingent as well now.

Look I think Mourinho is a great manager and could do wonders at City, but we should always keep in mind that he has his flaws as well; otherwise, we're just setting ourselves up for even more drama if he does come.

-- Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:15 am --

Now I think you are onto the truth there. Khaldoon will be important too.

That actually is a worst case scenario. You don't go and hire two ex-Barca muckety-mucks to run everything and at the first critical juncture, hamstring them. You especially don't want to do that when you're bringing in a manager who has a track record of setting himself up in opposition to executives in a club and using power plays to insulate himself from criticism.

Its a pretty big decision though mate so i think the sheikh will be involved
Especially if it is true and he went back on his word to manage us a couple of years ago.

True, the owner will and should be involved in the hiring of any manager. If the reports are accurate, though, that Begiristain dislikes Mourinho as much as is suggested, then I would think ownership would tread carefully as creating a hostile environment at that level could tank everything.

 

[Josh Blue]

Hart,Richards,Lescott,Kompany,De Jong,Barry and Zabaleta are also players who have improved immensely under Mancini's man management. Did you forget that?

 

[taconinja]

Fair point, the Spanish contingent dont like him-but he doesnt like Spain though either.When it comes to man management hes streets ahead of Mancini,ask any Porto,Chelsea or Inter player what they thought of him after he left.

This guy will get that extra 20% our of our squad that is so obviously lacking,its that 20% extra that wins you pots-when a manager like Ferguson holds him in high regard then im afraid we should be intertested.

He's also having problems with the Portuguese contingent as well now.

Look I think Mourinho is a great manager and could do wonders at City, but we should always keep in mind that he has his flaws as well; otherwise, we're just setting ourselves up for even more drama if he does come.

Of course fella, every new manager is a gamble, but its a bigger gamble in giving Mancini another 2 seasons to see if he can go the next step.

Where do we draw the line with Mancini, give him another season to buy mediocre players and filling our squad with players who dont perform for him.

Hart,Richards,Lescott,Kompany,De Jong,Barry,Zabaleta and Tevez were all players he inherited-arguably the back bone of the side that won him the title.

Aguero,Yaya,Silva,Nastasic are the players that he bought that are good enough and fit in to his style of play.

Whilst Savic,Nasri,Dzeko,Balotelli,Kolorov,Sinclair,Garcia and arguably Rodwell are extremely queastionable signings to say the least.

A big big gamble for me if we keep Mancini-one we cant afford to take.

As stated, I think we should go for Mourinho if he's available. One thing I will not do, though, is hold this past summer's signings against Mancini. He had his targets, and frankly he's been proven right. We went into bargain mode in a sense and we see how that's worked out.

 

[Bill]

Winning the FA cup is not enough haha! If we do win it (which obviously everyone wants) Mancini will not lose his job. We would be the laughing stock of football and rightfully so. You don't know what the owners are thinking so don't pretend you do.

this.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Its a pretty big decision though mate so i think the sheikh will be involved
Especially if it is true and he went back on his word to manage us a couple of years ago.

It was discussed to death at the time on here, but none of us know how it was actually handled. Whether he promised to join, expressed an interest, whatever. My belief for what it's worth is that he almost joined us just before Mancini came, but Inter got a result which kept him in the CL (can't remember what). I think he told us then that he would be available and interested in the summer. We appointed Mancini with a 6 month break in the contract, and he was told to get us in the CL. He failed to do that but was retained and the 3 year part of his deal invoked when Mourinho told us he wanted Madrid. Players at the time who knew him (WAyne Bridge was one) believed he was going to be joining us. It caused Mancini real grief because the likes of Tevez, Bellamy, Adebayor never saw him as a long term option. Since then there have been numerous rumours of discussions, including this time last year(when Mancini was talking to Monaco)

I don't present the above as fact, just my opinion having heard lots of stuff, some conflicting. I get the feeling that Abu Dhabi would definitely look at him with caution, given that. I hope it wouldn't close the door, especially if you believe Tolmie that he has come to us this time. It would put us more in the box seat.

 

[levets]

To be fair I've read tolmie's comments as saying Mourinho has contacted us saying he wants the job and that no one knows how txiki has reacted.
That not the same thing as suggesting txiki now things a change is necessary

Exactly

He also said that Duncan Castle's story in The Times that we've sounded out Pellegrini and Klopp was true. Castles has also said several times now that Mancini is a goner this summer, regardless, although I don't think TH comfirmed this.

we've sounded out Pellegrini and Klopp
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Then this is ridiculous... Klopp great at Dortmund last 2 years... Pellegrini??? He's won loads has he? seriously?

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

Just dusting off my Chelsea and Rag scarf so I can cheer them on so the dream of Mourinho coming to city gets closer!!!!

I have never heard so much drivel in all my life..Cheer for Chelsea and the rags..I'd rather eat my own ****

 

[Josh Blue]

Winning the FA cup is not enough haha! If we do win it (which obviously everyone wants) Mancini will not lose his job. We would be the laughing stock of football and rightfully so. You don't know what the owners are thinking so don't pretend you do.

this.

I find it amazing how our fans can be like this. So we have win the league every year and get to the Semi-Finals of the Champions League every season to be happy/successful? Bullshit that is not how football works. This season could be very successful if we win the FA Cup, putting in some pleasing performances in the league and get 2nd place and give Guidetti his chance and he takes it.

Although it is only a small minority chatting out of their arse it is still painful to see our fans acting like Arsenals.

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

Winning the FA cup is not enough haha! If we do win it (which obviously everyone wants) Mancini will not lose his job. We would be the laughing stock of football and rightfully so. You don't know what the owners are thinking so don't pretend you do.

this.

I find it amazing how our fans can be like this. So we have win the league every year and get to the Semi-Finals of the Champions League every season to be happy/successful? Bullshit that is not how football works. This season could be very successful if we win the FA Cup, putting in some pleasing performances in the league and get 2nd place and give Guidetti his chance and he takes it.

Although it is only a small minority chatting out of their arse it is still painful to see our fans acting like Arsenals.

Great post Josh...Some right spoilt so called fans I am afraid.

 

[dancity19]

Winning the FA cup is not enough haha! If we do win it (which obviously everyone wants) Mancini will not lose his job. We would be the laughing stock of football and rightfully so. You don't know what the owners are thinking so don't pretend you do.

The irony in those three sentences is unbelievable.

If we do win- Mancini will not lose his job, you say.

And then you say 'you don't know what the owners are thinking so don't pretend you do'

Do you KNOW he won't lose his job, then?

 

[flb]

He's also having problems with the Portuguese contingent as well now.

Look I think Mourinho is a great manager and could do wonders at City, but we should always keep in mind that he has his flaws as well; otherwise, we're just setting ourselves up for even more drama if he does come.

Of course fella, every new manager is a gamble, but its a bigger gamble in giving Mancini another 2 seasons to see if he can go the next step.

Where do we draw the line with Mancini, give him another season to buy mediocre players and filling our squad with players who dont perform for him.

Hart,Richards,Lescott,Kompany,De Jong,Barry,Zabaleta and Tevez were all players he inherited-arguably the back bone of the side that won him the title.

Aguero,Yaya,Silva,Nastasic are the players that he bought that are good enough and fit in to his style of play.

Whilst Savic,Nasri,Dzeko,Balotelli,Kolorov,Sinclair,Garcia and arguably Rodwell are extremely queastionable signings to say the least.

A big big gamble for me if we keep Mancini-one we cant afford to take.

As stated, I think we should go for Mourinho if he's available. One thing I will not do, though, is hold this past summer's signings against Mancini. He had his targets, and frankly he's been proven right. We went into bargain mode in a sense and we see how that's worked out.

At the end of day fella hes sanctioned the signings of all the players that have come to city under his tenure.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Where do we draw the line with Mancini, give him another season to buy mediocre players and filling our squad with players who dont perform for him.

Hart,Richards,Lescott,Kompany,De Jong,Barry,Zabaleta and Tevez were all players he inherited-arguably the back bone of the side that won him the title.

Aguero,Yaya,Silva,Nastasic are the players that he bought that are good enough and fit in to his style of play.

Whilst Savic,Nasri,Dzeko,Balotelli,Kolorov,Sinclair,Garcia and arguably Rodwell are extremely queastionable signings to say the least.

A big big gamble for me if we keep Mancini-one we cant afford to take.

The above is the basis on which i dont believe he is the answer for us.

Whatever your opinions on Hughes,he left us with the foundations of a Championship winning team,Mancini was lucky enough to inherit that.

The real succesful signings were 'no brainers' much like the ones he wanted and was denied last summer...... Hardly the stuff of managerial genius.

The amount of money he has wasted on mediocracy is mindblowing,especially considering the value that has gone elsewhere during his reign.

I really wouldnt want him spending any more money and handing contracts to inferior players,especially ones that do not even compliment or add balance to the team,something that has become a trademark.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Winning the FA cup is not enough haha! If we do win it (which obviously everyone wants) Mancini will not lose his job. We would be the laughing stock of football and rightfully so. You don't know what the owners are thinking so don't pretend you do.

The irony in those three sentences is unbelievable.

If we do win- Mancini will not lose his job, you say.

And then you say 'you don't know what the owners are thinking so don't pretend you do'

Do you KNOW he won't lose his job, then?

We'll be the laughing stock of football if Man United win the fucking double, I can tell you that. We were the laughing stock of football in the Champions League too.

 

[flb]

Hart,Richards,Lescott,Kompany,De Jong,Barry and Zabaleta are also players who have improved immensely under Mancini's man management. Did you forget that?

Whilst Dzeko,Kolorov,Balotelli,Savic,Johnson and Nasri clearly havent?

 

[taconinja]

Of course fella, every new manager is a gamble, but its a bigger gamble in giving Mancini another 2 seasons to see if he can go the next step.

Where do we draw the line with Mancini, give him another season to buy mediocre players and filling our squad with players who dont perform for him.

Hart,Richards,Lescott,Kompany,De Jong,Barry,Zabaleta and Tevez were all players he inherited-arguably the back bone of the side that won him the title.

Aguero,Yaya,Silva,Nastasic are the players that he bought that are good enough and fit in to his style of play.

Whilst Savic,Nasri,Dzeko,Balotelli,Kolorov,Sinclair,Garcia and arguably Rodwell are extremely queastionable signings to say the least.

A big big gamble for me if we keep Mancini-one we cant afford to take.

As stated, I think we should go for Mourinho if he's available. One thing I will not do, though, is hold this past summer's signings against Mancini. He had his targets, and frankly he's been proven right. We went into bargain mode in a sense and we see how that's worked out.

At the end of day fella hes sanctioned the signings of all the players that have come to city under his tenure.

True I suppose but blame should be apportioned properly for that fiasco. Our squad had and continues to have several very real limitations, which are highlighted in European competition. As much as we love our players, some of them just aren't good enough. If we're going to be ruthless about the manager and hold him accountable for not advancing, we must do the same with our players; otherwise, it's rank hypocrisy.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

Also our first season in Europe wasn't a fuck up, we were really unlucky. Even Munich away the first 15 minutes we play really well and should of had a pen. Napoli away we were poor granted.

This season was a shocker but it was a very hard group, if you aren't willing to give Mancini a third crack at Europe what's wrong with you? With a bit of luck we will do well in Europe.

Look at the Bayern team that beat us and then look at the Bayern team that we beat. We'd have finished with 3 less points had they fielded their strongest team in the second fixture. Europe is blatantly Mancini's achilles’ heel and I don't see anything anywhere to suggest things will improve. Who will reel out the excuses if we don't qualify next season?

I bet we do qualify. Mancini is constantly learning, this season was just a major fuck up.

I bet a 6 month ban for me to a 3 month ban for you that we will qualify?

So how come we got even less points in europe than last year?