Mancini/Pellegrini rumours (10/05/13) (cont)

John.des said:
We had a match against Wigan in the league 2-3 weeks ago after the semi final.

They played very well, caused a lot of problem we were lucky to win with a moment of individual brilliance from Tevez because based to team play we had no idea what to do against a team that fight relegation.

Than 3 weeks later Mancini comes up with the exact tactics like yesterday. HE DOESNT FUCKING LEARN.

Everton matches, always ends up surprised, Sunderland way games =the same

In CL his only thing he can say football is strange. He couldnt make it with Inter for four years, now with City even group stages are the final stations with him. What did he learn from finishing behind Napoli last season?
Nothing he went on to finish behind Ajax.

What did he learn from the Wigan match 3 weeks ago?
Nothing.

Martinez gave their team motivation, belief and a gameplay wht to play, how to play that. And they have done that vs a team where only the starting team cost 200m pounds.

Mancini couldnt motivate anyone, made idiotic subs, had no idea what to do, bringing Dzeko in 91. minute. Team looked slow, doing the same things over and over again without thinking one bit, those crosses from Clichy never looking up and anyway only Agüero in between defenders the chance of him getting a header was zero anyway.

We really had no clear tactical idea how to beat Wigan.Just go out and let the quality difference win the match for us.

That is the tactic of Roberto Mancini.

Thats why he wants so much more world class player and thats why he cries so much about further transfers.

He needs the best squad by a mile to make sure he can win trophies.

Man-management, motivation, right tactics, plan B etc worth just as much as having those extra players sometimes. And Wigan showed it.

I can just hope the board didnt back him before because he is leaving surely.

Cant even believe he is not hated by half of the squad at least. Imagine what the new players think (Sinclair, Garcia, Rodwell etc.), when Mancini kept talking about how big mistake we did in the summer, we didnt become stronger we became weaker.

It is true, yet a manager says this to the media every second week.How he thinks that helps the team?
It is an excuse maybe for the shit he made out of this season.

We really need RVP, De Rossi to beat shit Villa in the League Cup, Wigan in FA Cup, finish above Ajax where the mighty Poulsen, Babel Pool reject stars play?

No we dont.

More likely a manager with a good gameplan and good man management.

For me yesterday was the exact same like the Ajax match away from home. Disgrace performance from the players, but they had no idea what to play or how to react to the opponents.

And then Mancini comes with his subs going 352 causing a joke of chaos at Ajax, yesterday taking off the players who at least tried to make things happening.

And his big CL( and EL, like Sporting, D. Kijev) embarassing results costing us a degrading from Pot 2 to Pot 3.

Txiki and co. should be fired if they keep Mancini. Thats my opinion. They are not stupid, they will see trough Mancini and wont accept to the mentality of getting another world class players if you cant get the best from your current ones because you have no idea how to do that.
.

you know the crazy thing is;

when pellegrini arrives its the end of the 5 year plan. thats the end of the club policy of 4-2-3-1 + zonal marking. Me thinks the club directors might fool a few but wont fool me.

txiki cost us the final yesterday with the whole Pellegrini meeting. Those players all looked like they couldnt be ****ed to play. Normally we see a group of players trying to show off to their new manager watching from afar but instead we got alot of moping -- just like we have seen at times during the season.

It is time for Mancini to go, no hard feelings but he has his history and moving forward Man City dont need the constant press references to Balotelli, RVP failure, horrific summer 2012 transfers, tradition of losing to Sunderland etc

New manager new rules, new direction,
 
Re: Any half-decent manager

There are three Mancini topics that answer all the questions you raise. You could say the same about lots of manager with an array of riches at their disposal.
 
I so want Mancini to succeed but that doesn't mean I don't have doubts about him

We've been sussed this year, yesterday was another example of a team flooding the centre of the pitch and letting us have the ball in wide areas for as long as we want - we're no threat on crosses. In fact that is probably the big difference between utd and us, we dont have anyone who constantly delivers good crosses. You dont need a 6ft centre forward just good delivery and they get so many goals this way

The team don't play with any energy and it looks as if they're not motivated, we've no pace yet every time Mancini is questioned it seems his only answer is he needs more money, he seems incapable of getting his current squad to play a different way or bringing through the likes of Suarez and Guidetti to change things up

Despite all these doubts I'm still just on the side of giving him one more stab because of what he has achieved, especially as he patently wasn't backed last summer. However we can't afford another summer of inertia. If the board want him to stay then back him verbally and with £s or move him on. Otherwise we're just wasting everyone's time.
 
blueinsa said:
Blueroses said:
Watch out for the times backpages Duncan castles ... tomorrow at

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Spill of you know what the report is

Pellegrini earmarked to take over at the Etihad

Malaga's Chilean coach on his way to Man City, with Mancini set to pay for a season of failure in League and Cup

AFTER losing the FA Cup final to relegation-threatened Wigan Athletic, Roberto Mancini is expected to lose his job as manager of Manchester City, with the Malaga coach Manuel Pellegrini waiting to take over.

City, who are owned by the Abu Dhabi United Group, say they intend to formally review their Italian manager’s performance at the end of a Premier League season which saw them cede the title to neighbours Manchester United and top that with the disappointment of losing an FA Cup final for which they were 2-5 favourites before kick-off.

Behind the scenes a contract has already been placed before Pellegrini. According to sources close to the Chilean, Pellegrini has verbally agreed to take over from Mancini once City exercise a £3.3m release clause in his contract with the Champions League quarter-finalists.

“I don’t think any of us really want to leave Malaga,” said Pellegrini yesterday. “Everyone would prefer to stay but, unfortunately, the circumstances we are in do not allow that.”

It is understood that City exchanged contracts with Pellegrini’s lawyers last week, though the deal has yet to be formally signed. Inherently conservative in their approach to such matters, the fact that City’s owners have accelerated their courtship of the Chilean in cup final week is in part a response to competing interest from elsewhere, particularly from Barcelona.

Early last week, Barcelona directors asked to be informed of Pellegrini’s intentions for next season amid concerns over Tito Vilanova’s ability to carry on as coach because of continuing health problems.

When one of City’s new Spain-based employees learnt of Barça’s approach he immediately moved to avoid losing the South American to the La Liga champions-elect. According to sources close to Rafael Benitez they also contacted Chelsea’s interim manager as a fallback option.

Though City’s board met yesterday morning, senior City officials declined to confirm or deny that the deal was in place with Pellegrini. They did, however, admit that Mancini’s performance was under review by the club’s owner, Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, who heads the Abu Dhabi United Group, after a season in which the best-paid squad English football has ever seen was knocked out of the Champions League at the group stage and meekly surrendered the Premier League title to United.

City’s Spanish executives Ferran Soriano and Txiki Begiristain have been preparing to replace Mancini as manager for months. In February, The Sunday Times reported that the pair had told Pellegrini he was their preferred candidate after the double Champions League winner Pep Guardiola rejected their overtures and decided to join Bayern Munich ahead of City for the 2013-14 season. Though the Chilean initially told Begiristain and Soriano that he had committed himself to another club for next season, the pair persevered, improved their provisional offer to the coach and convinced him to choose City ahead of other offers. The process of persuading Pellegrini involved demonstrating that the Manchester club was a far more stable working environment than Roman Abramovich’s Chelsea, who had also sounded out the 59-year-old.

Throughout their search for a new coach, City's director of football and chief executive have been aware that they needed to persuade their Abu Dhabi employers that dismissing Mancini was the correct strategy to improve the team’s on-field performance and that they could present a superior candidate.

The basis of Mancini’s power at the Etihad stadium has always been his relationship with the principal owner, Sheikh Mansour, and the club chairman, Khaldoon Al Mubarak.

Pellegrini, Jose Mourinho’s predecessor at Real Madrid, established himself as one of European football’s most astute coaches during a five-year spell in which he led Villarreal to a Champions League semi-final and a runners-up La Liga finish.

At Malaga, with a squad diminished by severe financial cutbacks, he was seconds from eliminating the eventual finalists Borussia Dortmund from the Champions League earlier this season, only for the Germans to qualify after a goal in stoppage time that looked blatantly offside .
 
John.des said:
We had a match against Wigan in the league 2-3 weeks ago after the semi final.

They played very well, caused a lot of problem we were lucky to win with a moment of individual brilliance from Tevez because based to team play we had no idea what to do against a team that fight relegation.

Than 3 weeks later Mancini comes up with the exact tactics like yesterday. HE DOESNT FUCKING LEARN.

Everton matches, always ends up surprised, Sunderland way games =the same.

In CL his only thing he can say football is strange. He couldnt make it with Inter for four years, now with City even group stages are the final stations with him. What did he learn from finishing behind Napoli last season?
Nothing he went on to finish behind Ajax.

What did he learn from the Wigan match 3 weeks ago?
Nothing.

Martinez gave their team motivation, belief and a gameplay wht to play, how to play that. And they have done that vs a team where only the starting team cost 200m pounds.

Mancini couldnt motivate anyone, made idiotic subs, had no idea what to do, bringing Dzeko in 91. minute. Team looked slow, doing the same things over and over again without thinking one bit, those crosses from Clichy never looking up and anyway only Agüero in between defenders the chance of him getting a header was zero anyway.

We really had no clear tactical idea how to beat Wigan.Just go out and let the quality difference win the match for us.

That is the tactic of Roberto Mancini.

Thats why he wants so much more world class player and thats why he cries so much about further transfers.

He needs the best squad by a mile to make sure he can win trophies.

Man-management, motivation, right tactics, plan B etc worth just as much as having those extra players sometimes. And Wigan showed it.

I can just hope the board didnt back him before because he is leaving surely.

Cant even believe he is not hated by half of the squad at least. Imagine what the new players think (Sinclair, Garcia, Rodwell etc.), when Mancini kept talking about how big mistake we did in the summer, we didnt become stronger we became weaker.

It is true, yet a manager says this to the media every second week.How he thinks that helps the team?
It is an excuse maybe for the shit he made out of this season.

We really need RVP, De Rossi to beat shit Villa in the League Cup, Wigan in FA Cup, finish above Ajax where the mighty Poulsen, Babel Pool reject stars play?

No we dont.

More likely a manager with a good gameplan and good man management.

For me yesterday was the exact same like the Ajax match away from home. Disgrace performance from the players, but they had no idea what to play or how to react to the opponents.

And then Mancini comes with his subs going 352 causing a joke of chaos at Ajax, yesterday taking off the players who at least tried to make things happening.

And his big CL( and EL, like Sporting, D. Kijev) embarassing results costing us a degrading from Pot 2 to Pot 3.

Txiki and co. should be fired if they keep Mancini. Thats my opinion. They are not stupid, they will see trough Mancini and wont accept to the mentality of getting another world class players if you cant get the best from your current ones because you have no idea how to do that.

Superb post and one that every Mancini lover should read in the cold light of day
 
Benarbia said:
John.des said:
We had a match against Wigan in the league 2-3 weeks ago after the semi final.

They played very well, caused a lot of problem we were lucky to win with a moment of individual brilliance from Tevez because based to team play we had no idea what to do against a team that fight relegation.

Than 3 weeks later Mancini comes up with the exact tactics like yesterday. HE DOESNT FUCKING LEARN.

Everton matches, always ends up surprised, Sunderland way games =the same.

In CL his only thing he can say football is strange. He couldnt make it with Inter for four years, now with City even group stages are the final stations with him. What did he learn from finishing behind Napoli last season?
Nothing he went on to finish behind Ajax.

What did he learn from the Wigan match 3 weeks ago?
Nothing.

Martinez gave their team motivation, belief and a gameplay wht to play, how to play that. And they have done that vs a team where only the starting team cost 200m pounds.

Mancini couldnt motivate anyone, made idiotic subs, had no idea what to do, bringing Dzeko in 91. minute. Team looked slow, doing the same things over and over again without thinking one bit, those crosses from Clichy never looking up and anyway only Agüero in between defenders the chance of him getting a header was zero anyway.

We really had no clear tactical idea how to beat Wigan.Just go out and let the quality difference win the match for us.

That is the tactic of Roberto Mancini.

Thats why he wants so much more world class player and thats why he cries so much about further transfers.

He needs the best squad by a mile to make sure he can win trophies.

Man-management, motivation, right tactics, plan B etc worth just as much as having those extra players sometimes. And Wigan showed it.

I can just hope the board didnt back him before because he is leaving surely.

Cant even believe he is not hated by half of the squad at least. Imagine what the new players think (Sinclair, Garcia, Rodwell etc.), when Mancini kept talking about how big mistake we did in the summer, we didnt become stronger we became weaker.

It is true, yet a manager says this to the media every second week.How he thinks that helps the team?
It is an excuse maybe for the shit he made out of this season.

We really need RVP, De Rossi to beat shit Villa in the League Cup, Wigan in FA Cup, finish above Ajax where the mighty Poulsen, Babel Pool reject stars play?

No we dont.

More likely a manager with a good gameplan and good man management.

For me yesterday was the exact same like the Ajax match away from home. Disgrace performance from the players, but they had no idea what to play or how to react to the opponents.

And then Mancini comes with his subs going 352 causing a joke of chaos at Ajax, yesterday taking off the players who at least tried to make things happening.

And his big CL( and EL, like Sporting, D. Kijev) embarassing results costing us a degrading from Pot 2 to Pot 3.

Txiki and co. should be fired if they keep Mancini. Thats my opinion. They are not stupid, they will see trough Mancini and wont accept to the mentality of getting another world class players if you cant get the best from your current ones because you have no idea how to do that.

Superb post and one that every Mancini lover should read in the cold light of day

Yeah Bernabia-I have read it and changes fuck all for me.
Let me just clarify this - HE HAS WON ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL!
 
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
Benarbia said:
John.des said:
We had a match against Wigan in the league 2-3 weeks ago after the semi final.

They played very well, caused a lot of problem we were lucky to win with a moment of individual brilliance from Tevez because based to team play we had no idea what to do against a team that fight relegation.

Than 3 weeks later Mancini comes up with the exact tactics like yesterday. HE DOESNT FUCKING LEARN.

Everton matches, always ends up surprised, Sunderland way games =the same.

In CL his only thing he can say football is strange. He couldnt make it with Inter for four years, now with City even group stages are the final stations with him. What did he learn from finishing behind Napoli last season?
Nothing he went on to finish behind Ajax.

What did he learn from the Wigan match 3 weeks ago?
Nothing.

Martinez gave their team motivation, belief and a gameplay wht to play, how to play that. And they have done that vs a team where only the starting team cost 200m pounds.

Mancini couldnt motivate anyone, made idiotic subs, had no idea what to do, bringing Dzeko in 91. minute. Team looked slow, doing the same things over and over again without thinking one bit, those crosses from Clichy never looking up and anyway only Agüero in between defenders the chance of him getting a header was zero anyway.

We really had no clear tactical idea how to beat Wigan.Just go out and let the quality difference win the match for us.

That is the tactic of Roberto Mancini.

Thats why he wants so much more world class player and thats why he cries so much about further transfers.

He needs the best squad by a mile to make sure he can win trophies.

Man-management, motivation, right tactics, plan B etc worth just as much as having those extra players sometimes. And Wigan showed it.

I can just hope the board didnt back him before because he is leaving surely.

Cant even believe he is not hated by half of the squad at least. Imagine what the new players think (Sinclair, Garcia, Rodwell etc.), when Mancini kept talking about how big mistake we did in the summer, we didnt become stronger we became weaker.

It is true, yet a manager says this to the media every second week.How he thinks that helps the team?
It is an excuse maybe for the shit he made out of this season.

We really need RVP, De Rossi to beat shit Villa in the League Cup, Wigan in FA Cup, finish above Ajax where the mighty Poulsen, Babel Pool reject stars play?

No we dont.

More likely a manager with a good gameplan and good man management.

For me yesterday was the exact same like the Ajax match away from home. Disgrace performance from the players, but they had no idea what to play or how to react to the opponents.

And then Mancini comes with his subs going 352 causing a joke of chaos at Ajax, yesterday taking off the players who at least tried to make things happening.

And his big CL( and EL, like Sporting, D. Kijev) embarassing results costing us a degrading from Pot 2 to Pot 3.

Txiki and co. should be fired if they keep Mancini. Thats my opinion. They are not stupid, they will see trough Mancini and wont accept to the mentality of getting another world class players if you cant get the best from your current ones because you have no idea how to do that.

Superb post and one that every Mancini lover should read in the cold light of day

Yeah Bernabia-I have read it and changes fuck all for me.
Let me just clarify this - HE HAS WON ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL!

So the post doesn't change your view point whatsoever on Mancini and his tactics? Then I suggest you read it again
 
Benarbia said:
John.des said:
We had a match against Wigan in the league 2-3 weeks ago after the semi final.

They played very well, caused a lot of problem we were lucky to win with a moment of individual brilliance from Tevez because based to team play we had no idea what to do against a team that fight relegation.

Than 3 weeks later Mancini comes up with the exact tactics like yesterday. HE DOESNT FUCKING LEARN.

Everton matches, always ends up surprised, Sunderland way games =the same.

In CL his only thing he can say football is strange. He couldnt make it with Inter for four years, now with City even group stages are the final stations with him. What did he learn from finishing behind Napoli last season?
Nothing he went on to finish behind Ajax.

What did he learn from the Wigan match 3 weeks ago?
Nothing.

Martinez gave their team motivation, belief and a gameplay wht to play, how to play that. And they have done that vs a team where only the starting team cost 200m pounds.

Mancini couldnt motivate anyone, made idiotic subs, had no idea what to do, bringing Dzeko in 91. minute. Team looked slow, doing the same things over and over again without thinking one bit, those crosses from Clichy never looking up and anyway only Agüero in between defenders the chance of him getting a header was zero anyway.

We really had no clear tactical idea how to beat Wigan.Just go out and let the quality difference win the match for us.

That is the tactic of Roberto Mancini.

Thats why he wants so much more world class player and thats why he cries so much about further transfers.

He needs the best squad by a mile to make sure he can win trophies.

Man-management, motivation, right tactics, plan B etc worth just as much as having those extra players sometimes. And Wigan showed it.

I can just hope the board didnt back him before because he is leaving surely.

Cant even believe he is not hated by half of the squad at least. Imagine what the new players think (Sinclair, Garcia, Rodwell etc.), when Mancini kept talking about how big mistake we did in the summer, we didnt become stronger we became weaker.

It is true, yet a manager says this to the media every second week.How he thinks that helps the team?
It is an excuse maybe for the shit he made out of this season.

We really need RVP, De Rossi to beat shit Villa in the League Cup, Wigan in FA Cup, finish above Ajax where the mighty Poulsen, Babel Pool reject stars play?

No we dont.

More likely a manager with a good gameplan and good man management.

For me yesterday was the exact same like the Ajax match away from home. Disgrace performance from the players, but they had no idea what to play or how to react to the opponents.

And then Mancini comes with his subs going 352 causing a joke of chaos at Ajax, yesterday taking off the players who at least tried to make things happening.

And his big CL( and EL, like Sporting, D. Kijev) embarassing results costing us a degrading from Pot 2 to Pot 3.

Txiki and co. should be fired if they keep Mancini. Thats my opinion. They are not stupid, they will see trough Mancini and wont accept to the mentality of getting another world class players if you cant get the best from your current ones because you have no idea how to do that.

Superb post and one that every Mancini lover should read in the cold light of day


Agreed My heart says Mancini in my head says out After yesterday my head has won and John's post above has summed up why
 
Benarbia said:
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
Benarbia said:
Superb post and one that every Mancini lover should read in the cold light of day

Yeah Bernabia-I have read it and changes fuck all for me.
Let me just clarify this - HE HAS WON ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL!

So the post doesn't change your view point whatsoever on Mancini and his tactics? Then I suggest you read it again

No the trophy cabinet is what has formed my opinion over the past 3 yrs about Mancini.
We lost a game of football to Wigan. Do you think we have a god given right to just win every fucking game?? I won't say what I am thinking.
 
Benarbia said:
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
Benarbia said:
Superb post and one that every Mancini lover should read in the cold light of day

Yeah Bernabia-I have read it and changes fuck all for me.
Let me just clarify this - HE HAS WON ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL!

So the post doesn't change your view point whatsoever on Mancini and his tactics? Then I suggest you read it again

He has difficulty reading. The sand gets in his eyes all the time
 

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