Mancini to Juventus speculation

The obvious question is.

If Bobby Manc is happy at City and he has a three and a half year contract(?), why would he make those statements? Surely it would have been easier for him to say I'm happy at City and I intend to or I will see out my contract. End of story.

All he has done is ad to the uncertainty about his future. Perhaps it's brinkmanship on his behalf and he's trying to force City's hand over that three and a half year contract he hasn't got yet, by not so subtly putting himself in the Managerial shop window.
 
jrb said:
The obvious question is.

If Bobby Manc is happy at City and he has a three and a half year contract(?), why would he make those statements? Surely it would have been easier for him to say I'm happy at City and I intend to or I will see out my contract. End of story.

All he has done is ad to the uncertainty about his future. Perhaps it's brinkmanship on his behalf and he's trying to force City's hand over that three and a half year contract he hasn't got yet, by not so subtly putting himself in the Managerial shop window.

Lost in translation?
 
I have heard this rumour from coaches in Italy I know, he is a juventus fan and would like to manage the club he support and has done since he was child.

I can confirm that juventus has made a profile each manager/coach it considers most valuable to the a current reinvention project. Mancini is one of people. As are certain others, he is top of the list.

As I understand it contact regarding the job was initiated between Mancini and Juventus officials during Fulhams game against Juventus, if he going it has been sorted with Juventus by now.

It is in Mancinis hands, I dont want him to leave he is an exremely good coach, him leaving will be the worst thing for the club. The best thing we can do is give him time and the money that hughes had and let him build his own squad.
 
PrestwichBlue said:
That's what I believe happened. I also think that Mancini's behaviour means he's either not happy managing in the Premiership or that, after a bit of dithering, JM has finally agreed to take the job this summer.


well, it's possible, but as you say, it would mean we had got ourselves in a mess already.

BUT... as Khaldoun let it be known off the record that he would carry the can if Mancini's appointment didn't work out, Mourinho always being on the cards doesn't seem the most likely explanation to me.

Much of what's being debated depends on how much faith you put in the rumours and speculation. As I am biased against speculation, I have always thought the scenario was for both parties to see how it worked out. Personally, I look at him and think he's someone who is genuinely disappointed with some of his players, because that's how I feel. Some of them gave him 3/4 good games before going back into their shells. However, if you believe City have been pursuing another manager then I guess you'd see that in his eyes. but, really, we're projecting. Mancini's demeanour could just be that of a man who has been working 16 hour days.

And as for his motives in this interview... well, hang on a minute, let's rewind. The quotes do not mention him joining inter at all. They are general remarks on Juventus' predicament. The story that he would be open to the possibility comes from a story from a agnelli-friendly outlet, that had no quotes, rather a reported confirmation of his interest in the job if it had been offered to him back in december, attributed to 'someone close to Mancini'. in other words the headline 'mancini expresses in joining Juve' is a definite case of 2+2=5.

as for his 'dithering' I am skeptical that we are being offered an exact translation of his time frame for returning to italy. find me an italian speaker not looking to write a story, and ask them exactly what his words mean. I think city dithered unduly in their initial presentation of Mancini's role at the club, and have failed to address matters.

not to say that I am dismissing this whole story as without any basis. the perception has always been that uncertainty exists on all sides. and the Juve job is extremely attractive, and will be available. and I have to believe he took this interview with eyes wide open.

What I believe is that he is letting the story develop, perhaps in response to city letting the mourinho story develop. that is not the same thing as him responding to a genuine pursuit of mourinho. I can't rule that out totally but I just don't have any evidence beyond a back page splash on the back of the NOTW and the usual ITK whispers. The lack of communication from city IS a fact however, and that would be enough to warrant a subtle response from a manager who is meeting his targets.

I would prefer to think that he is sending a message to city, reminding them of his marketability, and letting them city consider the risks inherent in allowing people to believe they might be pursuing mourinho... let alone the risks involved in an actual, failed pursuit. by meeting his targets, Mancini holds some of the cards now

someone else drew the parallel with the sven/thaksin situation.

even if that is not what is happening (and I would hate to think the club had seen fit to repeat that episode), it would be demeaning and undermining to Mancini to allow that perception to go unchallenged.

and if it is what's happening, then I think it's a high risk strategy, especially with a wily fox like mourinho, who plays the media like no-one else. he also strikes me as someone who knows that he doesn't need any one club, he knows he has options. he's the prettiest girl at the dance and he knows how to make the most of it. IMO you'd have to be a fool to risk everything on pursuing someone like that, you could end up used and spat out without ever getting a peck on the cheek.

if the club think they have found a way to hedge their bets, then I'd be amazed. It would really be something to go home and shag the wife after she's seen you flirting with this other girl so brazenly, so needily.... is this how good relationships work? I doubt it.

Sometimes you have to forget about 'the ideal' and concentrate on making the absolute most of what you already have. And as it happens, you might always want the prettiest girl, but what you actually need, can turn out to be something very different indeed.

sincere apologies for going on so long.
 
cleavers said:
Sorry PB but its still speculation, and you are now adding a rider to your opinions.

A few weeks ago its was rumoured to be "done deal" (incidentally there's no such thing unless a contract was signed, which is very unlikely because if it ever got out we'd be done for tapping up), but since recent Mourinho stories have suggested he's touting himself around, its interesting that those "itk" have suddenly started adding ifs and maybe's.

As for Mancini "not looking happy" I didn't see him today so can't comment, but he's looked happy enough to me when I have, but even if you say he looks unhappy, it could be many things, things like he's not getting the best from the players, who knows ?

Its all speculation unless.....

Someone actually knows Mourinho and what he's done/said/agreed, well if they do they should make it known properly without hinting.

Someone actually knows Cook and has had it confirmed that the true story is......

Someone knows Mancini and he has personally said he's off to Juve, in which case they should make it known as above.

Until someone actually admits to "knowing" the facts its all speculation and its my opinion that ist doing the club NO GOOD at all, in the current circumstances.

All we as fans should be worrying about now is getting enough points to be able to play in the qualifying round of next seasons champions league (and I think some forget that 4th place means only that - ask Everton)...

Exactly. Its now got to the point where we are analysing Mancini's pre match interviews for signs of...well for signs of god knows what but its getting a tad desperate to say the least.

No one on here has a bleeding clue where Mourinho will be managing next season because judging by his recent interviews I don't think Jose himself knows for certain where he will be next season.

If Mancini is an interim appointment then the club should and would have said so at the time. Giving Mancini a 3.5 year contract with every intention of letting him go at the end of the season is stupid beyond words because it makes every other contract you offer a manager meaningless.

The Mark Hughes 'back me or sack me' theory is also bollocks. The board would have had no problem reminding Hughes that he had been handsomely backed already to the tune of £200m and would he kindly get on with producing positive results where it mattered on the football pitch. As to finding out the club was talking to other managers well the world, his wife and his dog pretty much knew contact had been made with Mourinho in the summer and there was speculation every other week about other managers including Mancini. And do you seriously think Hughes was going to risk his one big chance to hit the big time by issuing ultimatums to ADUG? Like where the hell is Hughes going to go after City? Hughes would have clung to this job like grim death knowing that after this its downhill all the way unless he pots some serious pots on his CV whilst at City.

I have no insider knowledge or evidence to say what the board or even Mancini will or will not do in the summer. Much may depend on how we do in the next 7 games but like it or not Mancini has gone on record saying he has a 3.5 year contract with no 6 month break or review and that his stay is not determined by whether we get a top 4 spot or not.

Make of it what you will but so far Mancini is the only one who has made any statement about where he will be next season with Jose yelling 'gizza job' to any passing UK camera crew which if he is sitting on a fat contract offer from Sheikh Mansour is f**king odd behaviour in anyones book.

In short I ain't buying.
 
the_special_one said:
I have heard this rumour from coaches in Italy I know, he is a juventus fan and would like to manage the club he support and has done since he was child.

I can confirm that juventus has made a profile each manager/coach it considers most valuable to the a current reinvention project. Mancini is one of people. As are certain others, he is top of the list.

As I understand it contact was initiated between Mancini and Juventus officials during Fulhams game against Juventus, if he going it has been sorted with Juventus by now.

It is in Mancinis hands, I dont want him to leave he is an exremely good coach, him leaving will be the worst thing for the club. The best thing we can do is give him time and the money that hughes had and let him build his own squad.

rubbish

The italian press was full of denials that any contact was made during the fulham game. In the same interview that the Juve quote was cherry picked Mancio also says that he knows he is still an enemy of the Juve fans due to his time at Inter. He also states in that interview that he has a contract till 2013 at city.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
I didn't negotiate it so can't answer that question but what if you didn't want people to think he was a caretaker? If they do then they think you've got someone lined up for the summer plus would the players really give their all? They knew Sven was going and look what happened.

Chelsea.

That was Guus Hiddink,a great manager despite half of this board not rating him!
 
selim said:
Gelsons Dad said:

That was Guus Hiddink,a great manager despite half of this board not rating him!

It was clear throughout that it was an interim appointment. If it worked for them why would city choose to pretend Mancini isn't an interim appointment?

Ans. The wouldn't and the rest is just idle title tattle by those who feel let down by the sacking of Hughes.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
selim said:
That was Guus Hiddink,a great manager despite half of this board not rating him!

It was clear throughout that it was an interim appointment. If it worked for them why would city choose to pretend Mancini isn't an interim appointment?

Ans. The wouldn't and the rest is just idle title tattle by those who feel let down by the sacking of Hughes.

I agree,most of the Mourinho inners were coincidentally Hughes inners!
 
I'ts probably a matter of waiting till the end of the month.

It's unthinkable thatan announcement will be made during this critical run-in period with a Champions league spot still to challenge for. Nevertheless, if Mancini has indicated to the board that he wants to leave to take up the post at Juventus next season then I respect his decision. I just wish this had been kept away from the media.

As many will know, Juventus have Alberto Zaccheroni in as a temporary coach till next month after the sacking of Ciro Ferrera. Attempts to prise Cesare Prandelli from Fiorentina, Rafa Benitez from Liverpool and Laurent Blanc from Bordeaux will surely fail. This leaves the door open for Mancini and I'm sure he will take the job if it is offered by the club.

I'm pretty sure City know who it is that they want to replace the Italian.
 
It is looking like he'll be going, which is a shame because I like the guy. He is one of the Premier League's truly likeable managers. He's also done well for us. Don't care what people say about our poor performances - we're still getting results, which is what I thought matters anyway. They don't, according to some people. Defensively we're much stronger, and he's done this without signing any defenders, and with only one money transfer - Johnson, who's looking to be a very shrewd buy.

However, even though I don't want him to go and I'd rather he'd stay, it speaks volumes that his replacement could very well be Jose Mourinho. Right now, it's just great to be a City fan.
 
After reading Mancini's interview I'll be very surprised if he stays beyond the summer. The quote about him broadening his horizons makes me think that he is just here for the short period to give it a go and see what he can learn, as opposed to setting up camp for good. The whole interview though, you don't hear managers coming out with stuff like that do you? "I'm ready to go back [to Italy], if and when there will be a possibility" is a little bit of a giveaway isn't it!

As for his body language, I watched the post match Wigan interview on the OS and thought he looked a bit down but like someone said, that could have been because of a number of things and the reality is that we can only speculate and have no real idea.

I still very much doubt Mourinho will come and now I'm resigned to the thought of Mancini going. My biggest fear is that Mancini goes in the summer and we end up with an inferior manager. If Mourinho goes to Real and Mancini to Juve, who would we bring in?
 
Man City will offer Mourinho unlimited funds to replace Mancini

mourinhoRoberto Mancini is not a dumb man and he knows the writing is on the wall and that he will not be at Manchester City next season even if he guides Tevez and co to fourth in the table.

Mancini has more or less said so himself and he cannot drop a bigger hint that his time is up at City than when he told the media he is ready to go back to Italy.

“I’m ready to go back, if and when there will be a possibility,” he said. “As for Juventus, they are going through a difficult period but we are talking about a club with history and prestige.
“How near I am to a return to Italy I don’t know, football is strange. It was probably right for me to broaden my horizons, but I will return sooner or later.”
The thing is he does know how near he is, it is very soon and the man that the Man City heirachy want to take over from him Jose Mourinho and they are prepared to offer him unlimited funds to entice him to Eastlands.

Reports from Italy are gaining momentum that Mourinho is Man City bound and that he will be offered a transfer kitty running in to hundreds of Millions.

The Man City owners feel that they need a manager who’s reputation is such that he can attract the worlds best players and Mourinho certainly fits that bill.

Another point to take on board is the now frequent outbursts from Mourinho in the Italian press, it really does look like he is laying the groundwork to depart Italian football this summer.

Mourinho to Man City is looking more realistic as each day goes by.

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The Fat el Hombre said:
After reading Mancini's interview I'll be very surprised if he stays beyond the summer. The quote about him broadening his horizons makes me think that he is just here for the short period to give it a go and see what he can learn, as opposed to setting up camp for good. The whole interview though, you don't hear managers coming out with stuff like that do you? "I'm ready to go back [to Italy], if and when there will be a possibility" is a little bit of a giveaway isn't it!

As for his body language, I watched the post match Wigan interview on the OS and thought he looked a bit down but like someone said, that could have been because of a number of things and the reality is that we can only speculate and have no real idea.

I still very much doubt Mourinho will come and now I'm resigned to the thought of Mancini going. My biggest fear is that Mancini goes in the summer and we end up with an inferior manager. If Mourinho goes to Real and Mancini to Juve, who would we bring in?


well if he logs onto Bluemoon as sees what all the posters with insider info who reckon that jose is a done deal say....

I dont blame him either.

If we dont get Jose and bob goes...it will be a monumentous fuck up by city..

we need a manager with credibilty to attract the players needed to take us to the next level..
 
Mourinho to Man City is looking more realistic as each day goes by.

So true. After events this week it wouldn't surprise me at all.

Mourinho might shaft us to get what he sees as a more prestigious job, but if he is the man that Sheikh Mansour wants in charge he could make it very difficult for him to say no.

Mancini has put himself in the running for the Juve job because he knows he is going. He always wanted to manage in English football and he has a dream job with the largest transfer funds in world football. He wouldn;t have said what he did if he didn't already know he wasn't going to be here next season.
 
The Fixer said:
Man City will offer Mourinho unlimited funds to replace Mancini

mourinhoRoberto Mancini is not a dumb man and he knows the writing is on the wall and that he will not be at Manchester City next season even if he guides Tevez and co to fourth in the table.

Mancini has more or less said so himself and he cannot drop a bigger hint that his time is up at City than when he told the media he is ready to go back to Italy.

“I’m ready to go back, if and when there will be a possibility,” he said. “As for Juventus, they are going through a difficult period but we are talking about a club with history and prestige.
“How near I am to a return to Italy I don’t know, football is strange. It was probably right for me to broaden my horizons, but I will return sooner or later.”
The thing is he does know how near he is, it is very soon and the man that the Man City heirachy want to take over from him Jose Mourinho and they are prepared to offer him unlimited funds to entice him to Eastlands.

Reports from Italy are gaining momentum that Mourinho is Man City bound and that he will be offered a transfer kitty running in to hundreds of Millions.

The Man City owners feel that they need a manager who’s reputation is such that he can attract the worlds best players and Mourinho certainly fits that bill.

Another point to take on board is the now frequent outbursts from Mourinho in the Italian press, it really does look like he is laying the groundwork to depart Italian football this summer.

Mourinho to Man City is looking more realistic as each day goes by.

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For the umpteenth time Jose does not have to do 'outbursts'. All City need to do is ask Jose of he wants the job and then stump up the readies to buy out the contract if he says yes.

Jose with an offer from City in his back pocket has no need to act like he did on the eve of Inter's CL match. Better by far if he just wins Serie A (which he is in danger of cocking up) and the CL, plonking both trophies on the Chairman's desk and saying thanks for the memories here is what you wanted I am now offski.

Jose to City would be more realistic if everyone concerned stop acting like a prize dick or is it beyond the wit of ADUG/the board to conduct a sensible negotiation without half the BM forum being privy to it?
 
As for Capello didnt he say on taking the England job its a job he's always wanted so that alone i would still say he'll be England manager well after the world cup. Just hope this dosen't continue all through the summer and a disssion is made soon after the season finishes. Other teams will be dealing in the transfer market and i dont want City to miss out on protentical targets.
 

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