Mancini told CL form unacceptable in 1st meeting with Txiki

[Dave S]

Typical journo rubbish, nothing more nothing less.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Forgive my naivety but how exactly does this fella know what was discussed at this meeting?

Perhaps someone told him?

Could be:
- Marwood having a dig.
- Soriano & Begiristain flexing their muscles.
- Guardiola (via S & B) putting the squeeze on.
- Khaldoon or the Sheikh sending a public message.
- the club starting to prepare the ground for Mancini's departure.

Goal.com have been right before and particularly on the Barca connection iirc so theyve clearly got good sources & my assumption would be they've got it from there again. So one of the first three in my view.

just out of curiosity PB , do you have any idea what is the role of a "football director" in a European club and what functions he should play?

I don't think there's a single model for a DoF across all clubs Mancio but, in my view, it's this. A football club is a business like any other except that instead of producing widgets to sell, they play football. So like any company, there will be a board of executives who have responsibility to the Chief Executive for core aspects of that company's operations.

So the widget company will have a production director who is in overall charge of manufacturing operations and has various managers reporting to him. The football club will have a Director of Football, who will also have various departmental managers reporting to him. First team, reserve team, youth team, academy manager, scouting, etc.

The DoF's job is to ensure that they're all pulling in the same direction to achieve the strategic outcome that the board have set. This will include:

- Setting a vision for the football side of the club
- Selecting the best young players for the academy,
- Training them in "our" style,
- Managing their progression,
- Scouting suitable, experienced players for the first team squad,
- Maximising our football income by achieving success
- Ensuring contracts are sorted out.
- Managing and controlling the costs of the operation under his control.

Etc.

Not all clubs will necessarily work like that though. The extreme example was Avram Grant at Chelsea, who was little more than Abramovich's eyes and ears on the training field and in the dressing room. Some are simply there to provide advice and support to the CEO or manager. But to me, the point of a DoF is to provide continuity across all areas of the football operation.

I'd expect a top-notch DoF to be able to question the manager and to understand why he did certain things, even if they didn't work. Of course, he'd also say "That's crap and you should know that" to the first team coach. I don't see that Marwood could ever have said that to Mancini. He was merely an administrator, doing some of the tasks that Mancini didn't need to get involved in, leaving him freer to concentrate on coaching. There was no way Mancini reported to Marwood but I'd expect him to report to Begiristain.

 

[andyhinch]

Perhaps someone told him?

Could be:
- Marwood having a dig.
- Soriano & Begiristain flexing their muscles.
- Guardiola (via S & B) putting the squeeze on.
- Khaldoon or the Sheikh sending a public message.
- the club starting to prepare the ground for Mancini's departure.

Goal.com have been right before and particularly on the Barca connection iirc so theyve clearly got good sources & my assumption would be they've got it from there again. So one of the first three in my view.

just out of curiosity PB , do you have any idea what is the role of a "football director" in a European club and what functions he should play?

I don't think there's a single model for a DoF across all clubs Mancio but, in my view, it's this. A football club is a business like any other except that instead of producing widgets to sell, they play football. So like any company, there will be a board of executivjes who have responsibility to the Chief Executive for core aspects of that company's operations.

So the widget company will have a production director who is in overall charge of manufacturing operations and has various managers reporting to him. The football club will have a Director of Football, who will also have various departmental managers reporting to him. First team, reserve team, youth team, academy manager, scouting, etc.

The DoF's job is to ensure that they're all pulling in the same direction to achieve the strategic outcome that the board have set. This will include:

- Setting a vision for the football side of the club
- Selecting the best young players for the academy,
- Training them in "our" style,
- Managing their progression,
- Scouting suitable, experienced players for the first team squad,
- Maximising our football income by achieving success
- Ensuring contracts are sorted out.
- Managing and controlling the costs of the operation under his control.

Etc.

Not all clubs will necessarily work like that though. The extreme example was Avram Grant at Chelsea, who was little more than Abramovich's eyes and ears on the training field and in the dressing room. Some are simply there to provide advice and support to the CEO or manager. But to me, the point of a DoF is to provide continuity across all areas of the football operation.

I'd expect a top-notch DoF to be able to question the manager and to understand why he did certain things, even if they didn't work. Of course, he'd also say "That's crap and you should know that" to the first team coach. I don't see that Marwood could ever have said that to Mancini. He was merely an administrator, doing some of the tasks that Mancini didn't need to get involved in, leaving him freer to concentrate on coaching. There was no way Mancini reported to Marwood but I'd expect him to report to Begiristain.

Cheers PB bit of sence on here nice change

 

[HolisticJim]

there isnt smoke without fire..... pep is coming !

I sincerely hope not.
Managing the biggest club in the world with the worlds best players is VERY different from the building and progression based job which RM is currently conducting.

We want more sustained success? Then for now at least we get 100% behind the manager.

 

[waspish]

there isnt smoke without fire..... pep is coming !

I sincerely hope not.
Managing the biggest club in the world with the worlds best players is VERY different from the building and progression based job which RM is currently conducting.

We want more sustained success? Then for now at least we get 100% behind the manager.

This 100% Mancini needs to be around at least another 3 seasons to keep us in the winning mentality he's the one who changed Man city's mentality into a winning one and that's the hardest thing to do no matter how much you spend

 

[urmston]

Sod the CL.

I want City to win the league and cup every year.

 

[B\connellblue]

No need to be overly worried if mancinis tenure may be coming to an end. I'm sure his replacement will be someone with a strong track record in Europe. Citys displays have been mind bogglingly poor in the champions league and considering this is part of the good sheiks ambition for the club he has every right to be a little frustrated at results so far. The biggest concern for me is mancinis constant talking up of the opposition. 99% of the teams we have played since he took charge are a "very good side who will be difficult to beat" to hear bobby slobbering, whilst in reality the most of them are shite. We should be playing with our chests out and putting the lower to mid table teams to the sword. We're champions for fuck sake, about time Bobby had us playing like it!

 

[inchy14]

No need to be overly worried if mancinis tenure may be coming to an end. I'm sure his replacement will be someone with a strong track record in Europe. Citys displays have been mind bogglingly poor in the champions league and considering this is part of the good sheiks ambition for the club he has every right to be a little frustrated at results so far. The biggest concern for me is mancinis constant talking up of the opposition. 99% of the teams we have played since he took charge are a "very good side who will be difficult to beat" to hear bobby slobbering, whilst in reality the most of them are shite. We should be playing with our chests out and putting the lower to mid table teams to the sword. We're champions for fuck sake, about time Bobby had us playing like it!

Fuck Europe it's a bonus, the premiership is what matters.
Doing well in the champions league is required for the commercial side of things and further recognition but its getting a regular place in the top two first.
Lets not run before we can walk eh.

 

[Berkovic_blue]

Citys displays have been mind bogglingly poor in the champions league and considering this is part of the good sheiks ambition for the club he has every right to be a little frustrated at results so far. The biggest concern for me is mancinis constant talking up of the opposition. 99% of the teams we have played since he took charge are a "very good side who will be difficult to beat" to hear bobby slobbering, whilst in reality the most of them are shite. We should be playing with our chests out and putting the lower to mid table teams to the sword. We're champions for fuck sake, about time Bobby had us playing like it!

Exaggerate much?

We haven't reproduced the best of our league form but what you're saying is nonsense. The issue is we've played very well in patches but haven't sustained it for a full 90 and no one can deny that we haven't had the rub of the green in the majority of CL matches.

Don't understand your other point at all. You think Mancini should be rubbishing other teams in his press conferences? Reality check needed. And I would bet with certainty that what he says to the players is very different from what he fobs off the media with.

 

[B\connellblue]

Citys displays have been mind bogglingly poor in the champions league and considering this is part of the good sheiks ambition for the club he has every right to be a little frustrated at results so far. The biggest concern for me is mancinis constant talking up of the opposition. 99% of the teams we have played since he took charge are a "very good side who will be difficult to beat" to hear bobby slobbering, whilst in reality the most of them are shite. We should be playing with our chests out and putting the lower to mid table teams to the sword. We're champions for fuck sake, about time Bobby had us playing like it!

Exaggerate much?

We haven't reproduced the best of our league form but what you're saying is nonsense. The issue is we've played very well in patches but haven't sustained it for a full 90 and no one can deny that we haven't had the rub of the green in the majority of CL matches.

Don't understand your other point at all. You think Mancini should be rubbishing other teams in his press conferences? Reality check needed. And I would bet with certainty that what he says to the players is very different from what he fobs off the media with.

2 points out of a possible twelve tells its own story. sure we were robbed the other night but we didn't play very well at all in the other 3.
I'm not advocating mancini rubbishing the opposition either, just fed up of hearing how good these teams are when quite clearly their league position tell a different story entirely.