Mancini

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Maybe having too many prestige players is the problem when creating a team - just a thought

There is that aspect.

Mancini does not take enough of the dressing room with him, though. He thrives on creative tension and having everyone on edge.

Top players have egos - Mancini has an ego. Mancini is outnumbered.

Method only works for a short period of time though and probably in short bursts. Was evident during the Tevez affair - I didn't see many players fully back Mancini up

Nobody did because they told the truth.

It pisses me off that we can be so casual about showing players such as Dzeko, Nasri and others the door, just because Mancini can't get along.

They are in demand from other top clubs, so what do they see that Mancini doesn't?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I think if you go back through all last season and summer I was saying the same things here! I have never changed my mind on the problems I see in the Mancini, players we bought and sold or the team overall - its just most here were wearing the blue blinkers!

I decided to take you up on your offer. You posted this on 31st March 2012:

I haven't posted here for a while - cos i was fed up with the abuse for criticising the management at MY Club. I believe now I have been fully vindicated in my opinion that Mancini was never the 'great masiah' he was foolishly being portrayed as.

The only good thing to come of the; abysmal, negative, tired, inept, bottless, performances we have witnessed since xmas (just as last season), is that Mancini will be given his cards - and i for one will be over the bluemoon about that!

I am absolutely apoplectic - goodness only knows what the owners are thinking having given this bloke £250 of their money...................they wont make that mistake again. Its also clear to me that alot of these players don not want to play for him any more.

Glad I couldnt get to this game......................

And then from there until the end of last season nothing of a particularly negative nature. In actual fact you didn't post from 3rd April until 9th May, when things were going rather well, so your specious claims that....

I think if you go back through all last season and summer I was saying the same things

...don't really hold much water.

Easy being vindicated when you can misrepresent your powers of prediction to the misleading extent that you have.

But you've just proved my point! I have said the same things all the time - what a numpty...............Just because I didnt post cant be construed as 'changing my mind' can it?! I have remained consistent throughout - which is somewhat better than some of the turncoats here.............

Stopping posting on a subject when the argument is going against you, only to reappear when the wind appears to be blowing in your direction, hardly constitutes being "consistent".

It is actually a spineless thing to do, especially when you subsequently come on here giving it the big one, about your powers of prediction.

You clearly lack the courage of your convictions, which, in fact, bears all hallmarks of a "turncoat".

 

[samharris]

Maybe having too many prestige players is the problem when creating a team - just a thought

There is that aspect.

Mancini does not take enough of the dressing room with him, though. He thrives on creative tension and having everyone on edge.

Top players have egos - Mancini has an ego. Mancini is outnumbered.

Method only works for a short period of time though and probably in short bursts. Was evident during the Tevez affair - I didn't see many players fully back Mancini up

-- Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:46 pm --

Maybe having too many prestige players is the problem when creating a team - just a thought

Sergio is prestige as are Yaya,Vinny,Silva. Teves is prob going so I wont count him.

That's 4. not too many , bring in 2 more and away we go... we need prestige players to challenge..

Probably right there, but we need a manager who knows how to get the best out of the players and learns from mistakes - unfortunately Mancini doesn't seem to be learning

The fact that he got it right last year tells me that hes capable of getting it right again tbh. just not this year ( well maybe the FA cup and CL qualification)

 

[SPIDERBOY]

There is that aspect.

Mancini does not take enough of the dressing room with him, though. He thrives on creative tension and having everyone on edge.

Top players have egos - Mancini has an ego. Mancini is outnumbered.

Method only works for a short period of time though and probably in short bursts. Was evident during the Tevez affair - I didn't see many players fully back Mancini up

-- Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:46 pm --

Sergio is prestige as are Yaya,Vinny,Silva. Teves is prob going so I wont count him.

That's 4. not too many , bring in 2 more and away we go... we need prestige players to challenge..

Probably right there, but we need a manager who knows how to get the best out of the players and learns from mistakes - unfortunately Mancini doesn't seem to be learning

The fact that he got it right last year tells me that hes capable of getting it right again tbh. just not this year ( well maybe the FA cup and CL qualification)

Sorry if already posted..

Manchester City assistant manager David Platt has been quick to dismiss any speculation that Roberto Mancini could leave the club.

Platt first met Mancini when they played together for Italian side Sampdoria and the Blues assistant was supportive of the manager after the weekend's defeat at Everton.


Platt told the Manchester Evening News: "There is an appreciation of Roberto from the supporters and the owners.

“The expectancy levels of Roberto Mancini are a lot higher than people think."

City's defeat at Goodison Park was the latest setback in a title race which looks to be over. The Blues are now 15 points behind rivals Manchester United with just eight games left.

Mancini's men also face a tricky FA Cup semi-final tie against either United or Chelsea at Wembley in their only chance for silverware this campaign.


However, Platt believes the side can bounce back in their next game and feels Mancini is the ideal man to lead City to victory.

He added: "He will regroup from this and by the time we play Newcastle he will have 100 per cent focus and intensity on winning a football match.”

The assistant boss also admitted they can't affect the speculation and that Mancini has the ideal mentality if City are to be successful.

“If people want to talk about rumours and negatives that is up to them. We can’t stop that. If people want to do things like that, then do it," Platt continued.

"All I know is that during his career he has won things. That is what his focus, desire and intensity is about.

"He won’t stop wanting to win things." 

 

[Anonymous]

There is that aspect.

Mancini does not take enough of the dressing room with him, though. He thrives on creative tension and having everyone on edge.

Top players have egos - Mancini has an ego. Mancini is outnumbered.

Method only works for a short period of time though and probably in short bursts. Was evident during the Tevez affair - I didn't see many players fully back Mancini up

Nobody did because they told the truth.

It pisses me off that we can be so casual about showing players such as Dzeko, Nasri and others the door, just because Mancini can't get along.

They are in demand from other top clubs, so what do they see that Mancini doesn't?

Bare in mind when we signed Dzeko Madrid wanted him and Nasri had a straight choice between us and the rags. It's probably the big black mark Mancini has to contend with with Ferran and Txiki ... Kolarov, Dzeko, Nasri, Balotelli, Sinclair, and to a lesser degree Javi Garcia - all represent players Mancini wanted. And all of their futures at City are up in the air at present. That isn't a strong position to be in when you're demanding more better players.

 

[crystal_mais]

There is that aspect.

Mancini does not take enough of the dressing room with him, though. He thrives on creative tension and having everyone on edge.

Top players have egos - Mancini has an ego. Mancini is outnumbered.

Method only works for a short period of time though and probably in short bursts. Was evident during the Tevez affair - I didn't see many players fully back Mancini up

-- Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:46 pm --

Sergio is prestige as are Yaya,Vinny,Silva. Teves is prob going so I wont count him.

That's 4. not too many , bring in 2 more and away we go... we need prestige players to challenge..

Probably right there, but we need a manager who knows how to get the best out of the players and learns from mistakes - unfortunately Mancini doesn't seem to be learning

The fact that he got it right last year tells me that hes capable of getting it right again tbh. just not this year ( well maybe the FA cup and CL qualification)

Well - I would argue against that -
We had a blistering start to the season - upto and including the QPR away game - and then our home form and UTD imploding at the end gave us the league
from Liverpool away onwards -
MCFC – 55 points – 26 games
MUFC – 60 Points – 26 games

more worryingly Our away upto and inc QPR away
P - 6
W - 5
D - 1
Scored - 23
Against - 8

From then onwards
P - 13
W - 5
D - 3
L - 5
Scored - 15
Against - 9

The reason I have chose QPR is that was the first time I saw a Prem team take on tactics from one of the opposition teams from the Champs League. High Press and quick attack - Usual teams Liverpool, Everton, Sunderland we still have Swansea to go to.

Mancini just has not learnt and again this year our away form is dire.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

we need a manager who knows how to get the best out of the players

This and only this. We have had a season of excuse making and it's beginning to wear thin. Whether it be people claiming that everything is fine but we just need the strikers to take their chances, us not signing van persie, teams parking the bus against us but not against united. It's generally bull shit, anyone with eyes in their head has been able to see that something has not been right from the very start of the season. The reality is that if the manager got the best out of the players we have then we would certainly not be anywhere near 15 points behind united, we'd be right up there challenging. There's talk of a clear out of players in the summer, that really worries me. We have an excellent squad that needs two or three changes and then for them to play to their potential on a regular basis. That, to me at least, seems infinitely preferable to the alternative that is keeping the manager, getting rid of loads of players who no longer seem arsed about playing for him and then presumably have the same scale of clearout every other season when the next lot of players get sick of working for a manager who seems to get a kick out of constant conflict.

 

[Marvin]

Method only works for a short period of time though and probably in short bursts. Was evident during the Tevez affair - I didn't see many players fully back Mancini up

Nobody did because they told the truth.

It pisses me off that we can be so casual about showing players such as Dzeko, Nasri and others the door, just because Mancini can't get along.

They are in demand from other top clubs, so what do they see that Mancini doesn't?

Bare in mind when we signed Dzeko Madrid wanted him and Nasri had a straight choice between us and the rags. It's probably the big black mark Mancini has to contend with with Ferran and Txiki ... Kolarov, Dzeko, Nasri, Balotelli, Sinclair, and to a lesser degree Javi Garcia - all represent players Mancini wanted. And all of their futures at City are up in the air at present. That isn't a strong position to be in when you're demanding more better players.

You really think a players fortunes at a club really come down to whether they rub along with the manager. It's down to football and whether they do their jobs on the pitch. Futures are up in the air because contracts are coming up to the time when the club considers an extension. Nothing else. Why put Garcia in the questionable bracket? I think you are taking journalist speculation at face-value. Some of them are remarkably ignorant about MCFC

 

[M18CTID]

I would never question the intelligence of someone for arriving, when founded in logic, at a different conclusion than me. I can accept the views of people who want Mancini gone, even if I don't agree with them.

It is supremely arrogant to do such a thing and suggests a deep level of insecurity in spite of your claims to the contrary.

Telling a blue that he deserves "to see every last one of United's undoubted run of title successes over the next few years" just because he has arrived at a different conclusion than you, says a great deal about your regard for City fans and your disposition towards people in general.

Ignore him GDM. He's always been a moaning twat who ridicules those with a different opinion to his on our manager. He was at it way back in the Talkin' City days with anyone who dared stick up for Keegan.

He can say what he wants about me, I'm more than capable of dealing with the likes of him. He doesn't seem to have a lot of love in his heart is the kindest thing I can think to say.

His track record is of no surprise. We've always had more than our fair share of inveterate moaners. I suppose it is asking too much for an FA Cup and a Premier League win to make them change their ways. I imagine they enjoy being miserable. It is the only rational explanation for their disposition.

Yep, that's true mate - you can handle his sort easily enough.

The fact that he has form for this going back to when God was a boy leads me to think that he's never been happy with any of our managers.

 

[Anonymous]

You really think a players fortunes at a club really come down to whether they rub along with the manager.

A manager's job is to get the best out of the players at his disposal. Do you agree with that ?

It's down to football and whether they do their jobs on the pitch.

And who's job is it to ensure they do their jobs on the pitch ?

Futures are up in the air because contracts are coming up to the time when the club considers an extension. Nothing else.

And why don't we/the players want to extend contracts ?

Why put Garcia in the questionable bracket?

Because he's not good enough to play in the PL regularly and is no better than Barry, Rodwell, and Yaya at being a defensive midfield player.

but I think you are taking journalist speculation at face-value. Some of them are remarkably ignorant about MCFC

I know what I'm talking about when it comes to players who's futures are up in the air. Just as I knew what I was talking about when I told you months ago Balotelli would be gone in January and you mocked me.